Today we're going to continue to talk about spacation. We're going 
 to go into energy,particles, and then go into tine. We're going to cover this
 all very rapidly and if anybody gets left behind, that's too bad. 
 
 We have a couple of questions here which have been asked; they'll 
 probably be answered in this lecture just in general. 
 
 Now the subject of spacation is the subject of the creation, handling
 of, or concept of space. What's space? Very difficult problem at this time. 
 It is sufficient to answer the problem in this wise. Actually the physicist 
 has no definition for space - now isn't that a heck of a thing? He operates 
 in space all the time and he doesn't have a definition for it. He says, 
 "space," and everybody knows what he means, only he doesn't know what he 
 means. 
 
 Now, uh.. a mathematician has a viewpoint for space. He says "point, 
 a point is something with location but without dimension. It has no length, 
 breadth, or thickness." That is a point, mathematician's definition of a 
 point. Now that's all very well, but uh.. what about this space? 
 
 Well, I'll tell you what a space is, and a space is something, uh.. 
 well, you see it's like this. Time.. time, you see, you have time and you 
 have, uh.. well uh.. the two interlocked and uh.. and you,have time. That's..
 that's motion, and uh.. what motion is.. is uh.. well, that's time, uh.. uh..
 well, operating in space. You see how that is? 
 
 Now that's all very clear and I'm very glad that you have that, 
 because that is the limits of uh.. our understanding the subject. Now, I want
 you to get into something very practical like building a steam locomotive, 
 uh.. weights, balances, and all into other complicated things here in this 
 subject of physics because we haven't got the time to spend on these basic 
 fundamentals like what is space. 
 
 All right, let's.. let's take a look at space. Now when you.. when.. 
 when your physicist starts talking, remember the other day I was telling you,
 you can do an awful lot if you have three frames of reference. And you 
 compare each frame of reference to the other frame of reference, then you're 
 all right. 
 
 If you have three frames of reference just as you have if you have 
 three sumner lines of position, you've got a position. You can orient 
 yourself, but don't just take three, think you have something very thorough, 
 if you merely have three things, each one defined in terms of the other two 
 and without any further definition. 
 
 Don't think you have something defined. That is definition, as you 
 find in the HANDBOOK FOR PRECLEARS, that's definition by association. Uh.. 
 what is a cow? Well uh.. a cow is like uh.. yeah, well, you know what a bull 
 is. Well, uh.. well, a cow is not a bull but it is like a bull, and uh.. 
 they're in a barn so that's like a barn. low you understand of course what a 
 cow is. That's silly, isn't it? 
 
 And yet, the physicist has been doing this. He says, "What's space? 
 Well, space is something in which uh.. operates, uh.. well, it's motion, 
 motion, and that's time and.. and motion.. motion is change of position in 
 space, and you see that changes position by time and time is a change of a..
 of a.. a action or something in space." 
 
 "You know, what is a cow? A cow is a.. it's like a bull, but it's not
 a bull, but cows and bulls have something about this thing, otherwise you 
 
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 wouldn't have barns. And uh.. the barn, that's a.. we don't know anything 
 else about a barn. Actually it's a far clearer explanation than... 
 
 "Well, I'll tell you. Space is something that is determined by time
 and energy, and energy is something determined by space and time, and time is
 something determined by energy and space." Now I tell you, get up.. get an
 airplane up in this rat race and you get going around this field. And you go
 round and round and round. And you've got to get out of this rat race before
 you ever land or go anyplace with the airplane. Now that's the solid truth of
 the matter. 
 
 Physics, nuclear physics, atomic and molecular phenomena, is going
 round and round in that rat race right now. What's space? Space is a 
 dimension in which a motion can operate and that's time. 
 
 What is time? Time uh.. well, time is a measurement of change of a
 motion in space. Well, now, what is a motion? Well, that's something 
 operating in time and space, of course. Now I want you to get clearly there
 that if you have uh.. some sort of a rat race like this, it adds up to space,
 energy and time, and that stands for S E T and that is SET. 
 
 And SET was the most incredible, to read, of all Egyptian cats. And
 that was night itself. Now, actually, when.. when you said.. when you said
 this, you.. you actually have a slightly wider range of comparison. We've 
 said, what is space, energy and time. Well, space, energy and time adds up to
 SET and SET is a cat and that is an Egyptian cat, and it was a black cat. Now
 that's all there is to it. But actually you've said more than energy, space
 and time. Space is time and energy, and time is space and energy. You're not
 out of any rat race, I mean, we're just there. 
 
 And we've got to get out of this association of ideas and get over
 into.another association of ideas before we can determine this and before we
 can use these concepts actually and handily in human experience - not just
 build uh.. atom bombs and child's toys and so forth with them. 
 
 Before we can do anything with these things we have to have them in a
 framework where man can experience. Now you are motion in space and time. 
 You're quite aware of that. But unless you compare that immediately and 
 exactly to understandable experience, these three things aren't worth much to
 you. 
 
 You build an atom bomb, so what? That's nothing. So what are they?
 Space is a viewpoint of dimension. That's a good definition. Thought it up
 myself and recommend it to you very thoroughly. Space is a viewpoint of 
 dimension. 
 
 flow we have such a thing as height, length and breadth. And you would
 get here uh.. from an origin, you would get X Y Z. Now actually that's a sort
 of a floor there and this back area here is a.. a wall. You see how that 
 would be there, you got a quadrant. You've got a chunk of space; it's a 
 viewpoint of dimension, that's all, just a viewpoint of dimension. 
 
 Now that doesn't mean that you necessarily have to be at the point of
 view of your space. You can make some space that has a viewpoint of dimension
 way over there. Or you can be at the viewpoint of dimension yourself. You can
 mock up one, put one out here. You can be at it yourself, or you can be 
 operating in a hidden viewpoint of dimension. That is to say, here's a 
 viewpoint of dimension over here someplace and you can actually operate 
 without Knowing exactly where it is. You just know you've got some space. 
 
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 And if you do that you have to put in a false viewpoint of dimension.
 You have to add then a viewpoint of dimension of your own. Now supposing you
 didn't know where 0 was and you were out here. And you were operating in 0's
 space, X Y Z 0 space, and you're at.. you're at this little point here which
 is point one. And you want to use X, Y, Z coordinate space and you don't know
 where 0 is. 
 
 You've got to postulate something to use that adequately. You've got
 to say you know where 0 is. You've got to sort of assume you know where 0 is.
 That is the physical universe. You're assuming you know where 0 is. 0 exists
 in the physical universe. 
 
 What is the point of origin of the coordinates of the physical 
 universe three-dimensional space? Actually this type of space is the idiot's
 delight. This type of space goes into minus coordinates and down here you 
 have a quadrant. Here you have a quadrant, back there a quadrant, here a 
 quadrant. You've got eight quadrants. 
 
 If you take three intersecting planes there it gives you all these 
 beautiful quadrants. Three intersecting planes - it's very lovely, beautiful,
 and uh.. the planes don't exist, all they are is a viewpoint of dimension. 
 Now to each one of you postulating a viewpoint of dimension: as long as you 
 postulate that you do not know where origin is, you cannot then yourself say
 you are origin. As long as.. as you think, "Well, there's an origin 
 someplace, and that's really what the origin is, why, I'll just kind of tap 
 in and say, "Well, I.. I'll be origin too, I mean I'll just view this thing 
 from this."" 
 
 But it's a sort of diffident thing; it's something - you don't say 
 I'm origin for the MEST universe. Just.. just think of this. Just think of 
 this as the thought to yourself right now: I am the origin point of the whole
 MEST universe. 
 
 Sometimes people get pale when they think of that. "That's just, oh 
 no, I am the point of creation of the MEST universe. No, no, uh-uh." Now, 
 what he does instead, he says, "Origin, I don't know anything about that - 
 wherever the origin is, but I sort of look at what is there in terms of 
 origin. I sort of look at this from a viewpoint here that, well, uh.. it's a
 secondary viewpoint and somebody must have given it to me." 
 
 And here we get the whole theory of God made the physical universe 
 and God made me but uh.. I am - by His good offices, good graces and by a 
 charter which I don't quite have a copy of - am able to view all this space 
 by His leave. And that's where you get that. 
 
 Now, what kind of self-determinism is this? This is pretty horrible 
 self-determinism. Now what.. what's the viewpoint of space of the MEST 
 universe? Well, the truth of the matter is, you are at the viewpoint of the 
 space of the MEST universe with an extensional line from the viewpoint of 
 space of.. of dimension of the MEST universe. You're actually at that point.
 You want to know where you are? Well, you're actually at that point. And you
 want to know what you're doing? You're kidding yourself you're someplace 
 else. Now, that's the trick of the MEST universe. 
 
 If you can tell a fellow, "All right, now look, we're going to 
 coincide our viewpoints of dimension. Now you agree that uh.. it's that-a-way
 and that-a-way and that-a-way. Now you agree that, don't you? All right, now
 that you've agreed that, you have that, now you know you couldn't possibly 
 have made that, now we'll move you someplace else and you pretend you're at 
 this new place. 
 
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 It's very simple to take a thetan and knock him into a state of 
 somnolence and make him believe he is someplace else and then actually 
 operate with him at that new place. You could, for instance, take a.. go down 
 the street here and find a lady of easy virtue and uh.. put her into a super 
 trance and then tell her very convincingly while she's in this super trance 
 that you're going to take care of her body, but you simply want her to go 
 down and uh.. uh.. uh.. be Mrs. Eisenhower. The darndest things would happen 
 to Mrs. Eisenhower. This is one of the oldest political gimmicks in this 
 universe. This is so old and so worn out as a political gimmick that nearly 
 everybody has done it and he is now guilty of an overt act every time he 
 thinks of it. 
 
 You take somebody's body here and you just change this false 
 viewpoint of dimension. Because it is a false viewpoint of dimension from 
 which he is operating, an extended viewpoint of dimension of the same point 
 in space, he can then be shifted anywhere because he's already lost. He'll 
 already believe he's anywhere if he doesn't know where he is. All you've got 
 to do is get somebody thoroughly lost and then tell him that he's at Broadway 
 and 42nd Street while he's standing out in the middle of Albuquerque, and if 
 he's so thoroughly lost he couldn't even recognize Broadway and 42nd Street 
 he would shake you by the hand and pant with gratitude. You've at least given 
 him a name for the place he is and the point he is. 
 
 Now you recognize that, he's.. he's so anxious to be found that he's 
 willing to believe he's lost. All right, we take this fellow and bring him 
 into the MEST universe, and you say, "All right, now, uh.. you're coming in 
 here at the point of origin viewpoint. And uh.. here you are and you see all 
 these beautiful dimensions. Now you're here. Now just out of a favor we're 
 going to let you into this place and you can go someplace else and take a 
 look at it." Of course, the viewpoint of dimension is right there. 
 
 He's never been anyplace else from the moment he first heard about 
 the MEST universe until right this instant. You want to play around with this 
 with a preclear, you can feel the walls start creaking. Now we'll say 
 something about it takes two to disagree. If two disagree with the MEST 
 universe, it'll go by the boards or something like that. It's almost.. it's 
 almost that delicately in balance. It's something you have to be very, very 
 careful about, not something which you have to fight and hit over the head 
 with a sledgehammer. 
 
 The only reason people are hard to process is they're scared that 
 they'll find just that and go zip and here won't be anything. And so they.. 
 they won't move over here and touch this viewpoint of dimension but they're 
 at the viewpoint of dimension; they've never been anyplace else because they 
 can't be anyplace else in the MEST universe but at the viewpoint of 
 dimension. But that's a point of no space. 
 
 And origin is a point of no dimension. A point has neither length, 
 breadth nor depth, but it is something from which you could view length, 
 breadth, and depth. Now if you very adventurously suddenly start out and 
 postulate that you are a viewpoint of dimension, you have broken agreement 
 with, as far as you are concerned, with being where you are. 
 
 You are saying I am at my own point of origin; naturally, how could 
 you ever be anywhere else. If you've agreed that you were at the MEST 
 universe's point of origin and then the MEST universe has given you a point 
 of origin which you can now use, you have abandoned your own ability to be a 
 viewpoint of dimension. And if you've abandoned being a viewpoint of 
 dimension yourself then you don't think you can create space. 
 
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 What's space? Space is a viewpoint of dimension. That's why in 
 mock-up processing you get this odd phenomena: An individual goes ahead and
 he looks at these mock-ups and they fade out and they get thin and they do 
 this and they wobble around. He thinks he's viewing them in somebody else's
 space. 
 
 He doesn't know he's really viewing them in his own space, that he's
 never had anything but his own space, there isn't anything but his own space,
 he.. he doesn't know this so he thinks they wobble around. Get him to 
 postulate first a viewpoint of dimension. Get him to postulate and look and
 make the area in which he's going to place the mock-up. Now the way you make
 this area, is simply to give it dimension from the viewpoint of the 
 individual. You just give it dimension, you say, it's uh.. uh.. long 
 that-a-way and that-a-way and it's.. it's.. it's tall that-a-way and 
 that-a-way to a certain distance. And it's.. it's wide this-a-way and 
 that-a-way, and it just goes out there. 
 
 And uh.. it's uh.. it's a very finite dimension. I got.. I've 
 extended a shell out there and got this shell all around this particular area
 and, all right, now we've got a space here. Now we're going to put a particle
 in this and we're going to make the particle go into motion and we are going
 to have a mock-up. 
 
 And actually, if he goes at it a long.. this isn't a ritual line, 
 this is really the only way you can do it. He's been doing that other 
 automatic and let's get out of the automaticity bracket. He's been doing the
 other automatically so you just say to dickens with this automatic. It's 
 getting postulated space, and you'll find something very peculiar - that the
 things are more durable. 
 
 His.. his mock-up won't.. are.. he looks at them and he's much more
 interested in them and they're much more durable and he's more careful of his
 space. So, whenever you have a preclear doing a mock-up, he will think he's
 using MEST universe space and as such he.. he really won't have too much 
 brrrr doing this because he knows he's just working on borrowed space, and..
 but that's the biggest gag that could happen to anybody, isn't it? 
 
 Fellow comes along and he says, "Now look," he says, "here you are at
 this point of dimension? Now you're going to look at our dimension. Ha-ha. 
 Now you're going to look at our dimension. Now look out that-a-way and 
 this-a-way and tall-a-way and wide-a-way and.. and just.. just look at this
 all. And that's our viewpoint of dimension. How do you like it?" Rrrrr. 
 
 You see, all he's done is make this fellow make some space. I mean,
 "Now you've seen our viewpoint of dimension, isn't that nice? That's a nice
 viewpoint of dimension. Now we're going to let you go into one of the 
 coordinate points from this viewpoint of dimension and uh.. you after that 
 will be able to view our space. And that's very nice and we're not going to
 charge you anything for it. That's very nice of us." 
 
 So, he is told he is at the viewpoint of a dimension and after he's
 told he's at the viewpoint of dimension, so help me, he is permitted then to
 go to a coordinate point in these dimensions and thereafter operate. 
 
 Position one, the only space there is as far as he's concerned is, 
 the space which he is manufacturing every instant from viewpoint one. But 
 he's manufacturing from viewpoint one a backtrack back to origin point and 
 he's keeping this space manufactured all the time very arduously in order to
 have viewpoint one. 
 
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 Now, there isn't any reason why he just can't start manufacturing 
 space from viewpoint one. He just manufactures space out here and here and 
 here. No reason why he can't. It's idiotic that he doesn't, except for one 
 thing: If he did that too thoroughly the NEST universe would vanish. 
 
 Now he does this very diffidently because he's afraid that if he does
 this the MEST universe will vanish and then he won't know how to get back to
 that point of origin. That's cute, because the only way he can get back to 
 the point of origin is to say, "Well, let's see, I'm.. I'm viewing this thing
 now from the point of origin of the MEST universe. Okay, now that I'm there I
 shall now extend myself to the coordinate point one. Okay, I'm at the 
 coordinate point one, I shall now view the MEST universe." 
 
 And he will again. He doesn't get lost. That's elementary, an 
 elementary dissertation on the thing. 
 
 What do we mean by space then? We mean a viewpoint of dimension. 
 That's just an elementary definition, but it's a very workable definition. 
 That definition will work in physics, by the way. 
 
 What is the space of.. what is the space of an electric motor? The 
 space of an electric motor would be two things: the viewer's - the viewer 
 could consider himself at point of origin and space would be his dimensional
 set-up, see - I mean he'd be at point of origin looking at electric motor, 
 that would put the electric motor at coordinate point one in the viewer's 
 space. Now he could look at it just exactly in reverse. We could say the 
 electric motor is a point of origin and the viewer is at coordinate point 
 one. And the viewer is using the electric motor's space in which to view the
 electric motor. Yeah, we could do that. 
 
 Now, we could go further than that. We could say: The viewer is at 
 origin point and the electric motor as a coordinate point one. But the 
 electric motor and the viewer are both viewable because of the existence of
 an unknown, get that, unknown coordinate point. 
 
 Of course, neither the viewer nor the electric motor would be viewing
 with own space and therefore would not be viewing with any great clarity. Get
 that unknown. All you have to tell somebody and convince them of, is that 
 it's unknown. There's a fellow by the name of Herbert Spencer, old favorite
 of mine. He talks about the knowable and the unknowable. Well, that's just 
 great. Any time you say that this thing is unknowable, you postulate that 
 somebody has postulated it already, and then you don't know what he 
 postulated. 
 
 That would be all there would be to the unknowable. I'll go over that
 again. The unknowable, the unknowable would mean that somebody knows that 
 somebody has postulated something, but this person doesn't know what that 
 somebody else postulated. And then that the individual himself is willing to
 make a postulate, that he will now never know what the other individual has
 postulated. 
 
 All knowledge is, is a series of postulates. Now, anything can work 
 out from these postulates, so when you say something is unknowable you have
 to go through that.. that complete complexity of conditions. You've got.. 
 you've got to postulate that something exists to be known and that then 
 nothing can be known about it. Big trick. 
 
 All right, let's look how that applies here to point of origin. We 
 have to postulate that this universe, uh.. work as it does, we have to 
 postulate that there is a point of origin and that is unknown. And, 
 
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 furthermore, when you start a preclear working, one of the first things your
 preclear does is run into the postulate that he can't know because somebody 
 else has made a postulate, now he can't know what that postulate was. That 
 he's running across an unknowable. You're running across the fact that the 
 preclear is certain that if he knows something it will blow up. 
 
 Or if a mystery is exposed the power will be gone in it. Ah, ah, 
 true, true, if a mystery is exposed, the power will be gone in it. The uh.. 
 whole principle of the unknowable though and the unknown and the "We've got 
 to know but it doesn't exist," and that sort of thing depends mostly upon the
 confidence that somebody else can make a more powerful postulate than 
 yoursel f. 
 
 All right, if you believe that other people can make much more 
 powerful postulates and they're in full control of their minds and situation
 at all times, why, you of course have set yourself up a continuing and 
 continual unknown. 
 
 You see, that doesn't happen to be true at all. You get up into the 
 telepathy bands some time and find the postulates other people are making 
 around you. "Let's see, will I have chocolate or vanilla? Well, let's see, 
 the waitress looked at me rather hard when I said "chocolate," so I guess I 
 think I'd better take vanilla, but I don't like vanilla. But then you can't 
 ever have what you like anyway, so the best thing to do is - probably they 
 haven't got vanilla anyway - well, I won't order it." 
 
 Yes, indeed, there are much more powerful postulates around than both
 you and me. 
 
 All right, don't get confused about this viewpoint of dimension. We
 could go much further into this, but that's about all we got there. We got a
 viewpoint of dimension. That's a very simple way to view this. 
 
 You say it's down there that-a-way, there's a point and there's a 
 distance between myself and that point. There's a dimension between myself 
 and that point. It's a very interesting thing that the meter is a met;.1 rod
 of certain length which resides in Paris. That's a meter. It isn't even the 
 number of something or others, uh.. it isn't even the number of something or
 others as a hemisphere, uh.. yards, or something of that sort. It's some 
 equidistant point on the equator. The French tried to make it this and they 
 sent a big expedition down to Equador to measure all this and then they 
 flubbed it up, and so the meter doesn't mean that. 
 
 It could have been circumference, something to do with the 
 circumference of Earth, but they missed it by enough to make it unworkable, 
 unusable. So, uh.. it.. it is really a length of a piece of metal at a 
 certain temperature which is in Paris. 
 
 What is a yard? Well, a yard is the length of a.. of a.. of a.. 
 something in England, uh.. that's a yard. There's this down.. there's ~ 
 couple of these things have been duplicated down here at the Bureau of 
 Standards, U.S. Bureau of Standards, and they are kept down there in cages,
 so that they won't get out and measure people. And.. and they're.. that's.. 
 that's.. that's feet and yards and meters and so forth. All right, that's 
 what they are. 
 
 Now it's a funny thing, you just take it for granted that thos. 
 things exist and if you went down there what would you have to do? You'd say,
 "Let's.. let's look.. look, let's see now, this.. this goes from this 
 distance over here, from this viewpoint of dimension over here to this 
 viewpoint of dimension with relationship to me. That's what your view of it 
 says. 
 
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 You say it looks from this viewpoint of dimension to this viewpoint
 of dimension and it exists in space which has been postulated from a point of
 origin by a fellow by the name God or Johnson or somebody. I mean, they're
 just that foggy on it. They.. they wou.. you would say, "Space, well, 
 they..." 
 
 First thing they tell you, "God is everywhere." Rrrrr. You mean we
 can't have any of our own space in this universe because that's all God's 
 space. That's the neatest trick of the universe. That's been perpetuated for
 76 trillion years. You think that's new? 
 
 It's all somebody else's space so you be careful what you put into
 it. And you be careful what you take out of it, but the only thing you ever
 see which is the most mysterious thing to you, the most mysterious thing is
 all you ever see; if you were going to look at the standard meter, you would
 see that it existed from this far maybe to your left to that far to your 
 right. Or you could go around to the end of it and look down along the length
 of it and say, "It exists from this point here out there. There it is." Or if
 you, your.. your vista was pretty good, instead of seeing with MEST eyes, 
 why, you just turn around to the thing and you'd say, "Well, it goes from a
 certain distance from here out that-a-way to there." 
 
 Well, if you were to lie down on a bench and take a look at this 
 meter, you'd say, "Well, it goes from a certain distance below my feet." And
 now if you turn around on the bench you'd say that you went from a certain
 distance from my head, that's all the same meter. You'll notice it keeps 
 occupying different points in space. 
 
 Well, it's an awfully neat trick of you to be able to do this because
 you see you're viewing it all the time from a point of origin which you don't
 know about and you don't own. You want to keep that firmly in mind all the
 time you're looking at that meter. That it exists, it exists from a viewpoint
 that is being viewed all the time. 
 
 That's why, somebody's got his eye on you. Viewpoint of origin, 
 that's what we've got here. And all these things I've been saying, you got an
 X Y Z coordinate there. Now there's no reason at all why we can't have space
 that looks this way. That's the Z coordinate and that is the uh.. Y 
 coordinate and that is the X coordinate and this is the G coordinate. And 
 back this-a-way - we get more complicated space now. Back this-a-way from the
 point of origin we always have a spiral. And that's twisted space when viewed
 backwards from the point of origin. This would merely be a fixed point of 
 origin, a more fixed viewpoint - you would say the forward look in this space
 gives you this picture and objects which are in that conform to that pattern
 and are distorted to that degree and back of this there is a negative 
 viewpoint and everything just all sort of twists away. 
 
 Once upon a tine you probably made a lot of experiments with this 
 sort of thing. The space is terribly interesting in that it is, uh.. wl)1,
 this, by the way, this is, by the way, uh.. torsional G space. And that is..
 it would be the general viewpoint, I'm sure, taken by the torsional people.
 
 You've seen contortionists, well, they're.. they're operating in that
 kind of space. Now.. now, here, this is.. this is very solid mathematics. 
 Somebody cores along to you, and he says, "Oh, that fourth dimension, that's
 very mysterious stuff." It sure is. 
 
 You know, you could have fourth dimension that was a twist, a spiral,
 just like this, existing in an X Y Z coordinate. You could say, "Well, that's
 time." Oh boy, how far fouled up can we get? I mean, time is really the 
 
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 fourth dimension, after all. Now let's make it a little more unknown and say 
 that although all the space of the MEST universe is from the viewpoint of 
 origin, let's.. let's be very careful now to say at the same time that this 
 space is from the viewpoint of origin. 
 
 Time happens to come from another viewpoint of origin. And if time 
 comes from this other viewpoint of origin, you get motion created elsewise 
 and uh.. time actually comes from S.. from uh.. Saturn, everybody knows that, 
 and time is space. When they say time is the fourth dimension they're saying 
 time is space. Oh, oh no, time can't be space because time is one of the 
 dependencies for motion, and space, and matter, and energy. 
 
 So time can't be space, not fourth-dimensional space nor eighty-eight 
 dimensional space, nor contortional space, nor G space nor anything else. You 
 see, it couldn't be space, because space can be postulated in any way, shape 
 or form. 
 
 Now there.. here's an interesting space over here. Uh.. this, by the 
 way, is figure two, this torsional G space. Uh.. here we have over here, we 
 have three-dimensional time. Now, I want you to watch this on 
 three-dimensional time. 
 
 Uh.. three-dimensional time works this-a-way. Now this is linear time 
 out this way, and it's going where this arrow is pointing. Now, linear time 
 from viewpoint AB moves forward and goes to second A prime S prime. Follow 
 this very carefully. Uh.. this goes forward to viewpoint A prime prime and BB 
 prime prime. That's really what time is. I.. I hope you're paying attention 
 to this; that's really what time is, because there's always from each one of 
 these coordinates a sideways time. 
 
 Now it's obvious that there is such a thing as sidewise time for this 
 good reason: There's sidewise time because something happens simultaneously 
 to somebody else someplace else right this minute that you didn't know about. 
 Isn't that true? 
 
 There was somebody had something else that you didn't know about, 
 something happened to him simultaneously that you were here. Isn't that 
 right? All right, now, if that's the case, that's the case, there's such a 
 thing as sidewise time, obviously. It might be called simultaneous time, you 
 see how simple that is? So there's such a thing as simultaneous time, that's 
 sidewise time. 
 
 And now.. now when you get sidewise tune, that would be known as G-Q 
 and G-Q, uh.. G prime, Q prime. I hope you're following this very closely 
 because this is very important here. Uh.. you see, that goes forward and that 
 shows you immediately that this linear time which is to point K, that's 
 linear time that's going out here from origin point, this is for figure three 
 uh.. out here from origin point out to K is linear time, so you've got that. 
 
 Mell now, you've got to be able to stand up in time, haven't you? 
 Time isn't just hitting you in the stomach or something like that. It's 
 hitting you in the head, in the feet at the same time. They're aging 
 simultaneously, aren't they? Well, sure they are, they.. they're absolutely 
 aging simultaneously and you look at almost anybody and you can tell that's 
 so, so obviously there is vertical time which is measured by this coordinate.
 
 Now, in other words, there's a sheet of time moving forward through 
 space, and that makes it obvious that there's a sheet which is merely 
 following this sheet so that all three of these sheets are coming forward at 
 the same time, A' to B, A, prime, B prime, air. Those coordinate shields and so
 forth in time are sweeping forward simultaneously. 
 
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 And after we get through living this moment, it being rather 
 secondhand, somebody comes along right afterwards and lives through this 
 moment. Well, that demonstrates conclusively, actually, I'm making more sense
 up here than a physics professor does. 
 
 Now this is grand 0. And this is grand Z, and this is grand.. grand Y
 and this is grand X. Now those things can exist then from any point of origin
 inside the coordinates of origin, can't they? Now there are eight coordinates
 of origin so that demonstrates conclusively that there must be linear lines
 of K at any time there and at all points of origin so that demonstrates that
 there's an infinity of time which is running linearly in all directions. 
 
 Therefore you have.. you have three-dimensional time and 
 three-dimensional space, which obviously give you in its various coordinates
 the fact that there are.. there are coordinates of this space which have 
 partially negative time and partially positive time and which are going in 
 opposite directions at the same time. That demonstrates there's an infinity
 of universes and coordinates and that somewhere in this universe there is a
 viewpoint of origin and if you went beyond that you would find one of the 
 factors of time negatively; you'd wind the clocks backwards or something of
 the sort. 
 
 Now that we've made it very clear to you we will go on. You see how 
 silly you can get when it comes to saying time is space. When you.. every 
 time you say time is space, you're saying space is static and time moves, so
 you could say space is a static sort of viewpoint that just stays there all
 the time and then time moves through this in some fashion or another. Boy, 
 that'd be wonderful, wouldn't it? 
 
 Well, let's look at something a little more actual with regards to 
 space. Now, I'm.. I'm glad you got all those points. And I hope you get a 
 good note on there because the actuality is that the mind runs in torsional G
 space. Oh, in all psychology departments it runs in torsional G space and 
 that's why they get so twisted. 
 
 Now, here's where we have.. here's where we have a very nice pleasant
 thought for you. I mean, this is a quiet thought, and.. and I'm.. you agreed
 to be in this universe that there was an origin. There's an origin for space,
 but you didn't agree to be that origin, because if you agreed to be that 
 origin, the only space.. it would be you alone who would be there uh.. 
 manufacturing that space, and therefore responsible for everything in it. And
 you would not find that very desirable because it would be impossible for you
 to engage in any football games, or randomity. 
 
 Well, let's.. let's say.. let's say, then, that you say here is an 
 origin point of space. That means there's a viewpoint of dimension. You get
 this kind of a thing all the time. You say, that corner of that room goes up
 that way and it goes across this way and goes out that way and there's a 
 floor downstairs and it's an extended line out there and that other line can
 extend theoretically from that corner. 
 
 You say, "That's a.. an origin point". So, let's look at you. We'll 
 put down here "I" the observer and let's put "I" the observer here, and he..
 he's at this point and let's put him uh.. there at that point. Now he's got
 this kind of an idea on things. He says, "All right, now here we go. We.. 
 we've got a room here", and he says, "This is origin point one or prime 
 origin prime prime, origin point prime prime prime and origin point four." 
 Now there's.. there he's got those. 
 
 Now he pins down and postulates four origin points. He can pin down
 
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 and postulate eight origin points. He knows that if he was in that point and 
 viewed that area what he would see from that point. So he can - he also knows 
 how these things are modified one way or the other. 
 
 So he says, "Look at this room, there are four origin points, there 
 are eight origin points, it doesn't matter. There can be an origin point for 
 every dot on that acoustic shielding up there", but he.. he knows what these 
 origin points are; he's accustomed to that as viewpoint because he's been 
 around himself and looked, so he can postulate these as origin points and 
 then he leaves himself free to be an observer. 
 
 And he can then swing himself back and forth on origin points which 
 are all around him and he can postulate that he isn't the origin point and in 
 that wise he goes into action. You see, if he were the origin point only of 
 dimension, he would never be in motion himself. He would be pinned in one 
 place and that would be the end of that; but by letting other things take the 
 responsibility for being origin points he can shift himself around in any 
 confined area which he himself has uniformly postulated. 
 
 Now he has been in agreement in one lifetime, he's in agreement since 
 childhood, with origin points. Origin points? He knows what origin points the
 family made; he knows what origin points he himself has made. Well, there was 
 a time in his life when he was so careless about this and he knew so little 
 about it - he'd never taken the anatomy of it apart - origin points would 
 shift all over the place on hen. 
 
 All you got to do is feed somebody some hashish, by the way, and, 
 boy, do his origin points go by the boards. He becomes sufficiently non 
 compos mentis to be unable to control the origin points of any area or 
 postulate origin points of view. 
 
 I just talked as though they existed, they exist for him. He's.. he 
 becomes unable to control and postulate the origin points of any area. And if 
 he does that, he gets distortional shapes of things. He.. he lies down on the 
 bed and the bed is 18 miles high. It is 87 miles to the door, the corridor is 
 one inch long. He gets this kind of upset because it throws him out of 
 "orientation" - so what is orig.. orientation? 
 
 Orientation is the principle here of being able to have an "0" moving 
 - that's origin point in motion. "I" is the origin point in motion. "I can be 
 here, then.. or second point uh.. origin point motion two or it can be over 
 here - origin point motion three, this is origin point motion one. Now that.. 
 he could be at this.. this here two, three, you see, he apparently is in 
 motion. 
 
 All he's got to do is keep shifting these origin points and other 
 people have agreed these origin points and coincided with their agreement 
 with hindi so he can keep shifting these things in accordance and in viewpoint
 of everybody else. 
 
 Here on Earth he knows how to shift his origin points according to 
 this society. This is one of the things he had to learn in order to know how 
 to walk, fall, talk, anything else. That's the first thing he had to know and 
 that's the first principle of education, is you have to learn origin points. 
 
 If you learn the principle of points of origin and that's an origin 
 of dimension, that's a.. an origin point is just a viewpoint of dimension, 
 you understand, so when we say "origin", we merely mean viewpoint of 
 dimension. 
 
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 He's got to be able to postulate their existence instantaneously in 
 order to perceive, and if he's learned how to do that properly then he as X
 has four, six, ten thousand points of reference which he handily has nailed
 down, pinned down, and he knows they're not going to move around and it gives
 him a feeling of security. 
 
 If you want to give your preclear a fantastic feeling of security, 
 start picking up his origin points and moving them around. Now I'll give you
 an example of that. 
 
 Shut your eyes, shut your eyes and take the upper corner.. oh, pardon
 me, open your eyes aga1n, look at that upper corner of that room over there.
 Okay, now shut your eyes again. Now move that corner, postulate that corner 
 out into the middle of the room, now put it back where it was in the first 
 place, now let's move it out into the middle of the room again. Now let's put
 it back there and let's look over to the other side here of the stage and 
 let's look at that origin point over there. That's a postulated origin point.
 
 Now close your eyes. Now take both of these origin points and bring 
 'em slowly together just up above my head. Interesting feeling, isn't it? Put
 them back where they belong. The second you do that it leaves some people 
 sitting outside. It leaves some people no place. 
 
 All right, now shut your eyes again and take that origin point and 
 move it over uh.. to your right about four feet and then back again. Move it
 over about four feet and back again. Now take these two forward origin points
 on the roof and move them both over four feet simultaneously to the right and
 then back over about to four feet to the left and then just move them back 
 and forth, back and forth, till you get a sensation of motion. 
 
 Isn't that interesting? Well, that's what motion is. It is, isn't it?
 You.. you can experience that. And uh.. one of the first things you want to..
 want to show your preclear.. want to show your preclear is something like 
 that. He.. he'll have an idea then what motion is, better than anything else
 you can tell him. 
 
 Motion, all he's.. all you've got to do for motion is just keep 
 shifting OM-1 up here back and forth, up and down, back and forth. Well, how
 do you do that? It's just by repostulating origin 1, origin 2, origin 3, 
 origin 4. You just keep postulating those and you know how the society thinks
 and you're in agreement with the society and you know how this universe is 
 and you're in agreement with that. And you've learned all these things very
 arduously, there's some universe race out there, the darn fools, which have
 postulated that it's only four inches across one galaxy. And, of course, if
 they postulated they only have to shift that particle across one galaxy and
 they'd never get a chance to look at it because the galaxy is too small. And
 yet if you want to go from one corner - assuming it has a corner - of this 
 universe to another corner of this universe, all you have to do is take a 
 very, very clear view of some origin point, postulate it, take a clear view
 of another origin point, postulate it and shift. Just move those origin 
 points and you're there. That's space. 
 
 That's the most fundamental thing about teleportation. You've agreed
 on the origin points for everything else because you've agreed so hard. Well,
 you're never going to get a solid object to move as long as you continue in
 complete agreement that you will never change the origin points of an 
 environment. 
 
 It's just as though you went down and swore your boy scout oath. And,
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 time disagree with the rest of the society on what the origin points were. We
 have a.. corners of a room. Look how standard they are for every.. corners of
 a room, floors, ceilings, roofs of buildings, ground levels of buildings, and
 that would be anything from a Nipa hut straight on through to skyscrapers. 
 Uh.. that there is a center to every cube - you've agreed that. And that 
 these things can be movable in or not movable in. You can move in 'em or not 
 move in 'em. It's very upsetting to a preclear to find himself sailing through
 walls for the first time. Well, he's just.. he's just postulated that you 
 can't move in that area. 
 
 Now in order to perceive motion, all you have to do.. well, we're in 
 the subject of motion right away. All you have to do is perceive motion - and
 we will have uh.. point uh.. N here as uh.. as uh.. uh.. an origin to point N
 as an origin, point NO-1 as an origin... All right, observe from.. from 
 ON-1 here, now let's.. uh.. let's.. let's look at this chair. Take a 
 good look at this chair. Now this is point uh.. NO, it's point NO right this 
 minute. Now we'll move it over here to point NO-1. Now it's at point NO, 
 N0-1. 
 
 Look at that chair now. Okay, shut your eyes and move that chair.
 Shift it from point NO, now to point NO-1. Just from NO-1 back to NO. Now
 shift it from NO to NO-1. Now get to shifting it so fast that it's a blur.
 Did you make that chair move back and forth for yourself? That's motion. 
 
 "It becomes a solid block". 
 
 "Ummm?" 
 
 "It becomes a solid block". 
 
 "Yes, it's true, it becomes a solid block. Thank you." 
 
 You've said that this point of you is shifting and in view of the 
 fact the point of view is shifting, it's unoccupiable. You get anything 
 that's shifting that fast, becomes unoccupiable and you finally say, "That is
 solid". 
 
 Now each one of these points has a viewpoint of dimension. Each point 
 in this chair has a viewpoint of dimension. 
 
 "Well, then if you shift as fast as that chair you can get inside 
 that chair". 
 
 "Sure." 
 
 All right, viewpoint of dimension then can be existing from any 
 origin point, and if you have a multiple series of origin points you can at 
 any time get what is laughingly called matter. 
 
 You can get uh.. energy. Anything you want to say you get you can 
 get, but the mechanics that you use are this. 
 
 Now, if you want to operate in five-dimensional space, it becomes 
 very simple to simply postulate different points of origin and different 
 complexities to these points of origin and it's wonderful mental exercise for
 a preclear to start operating in five-dimensional space and do this. 
 
 He's taken this uh.. here; now he's got 0-1, 0-2, 0-3, 0-4, 0-5, and
 he is at X-l. And he has postulated that in any five-dimensional pentagon of 
 that character - of course in any pentagon, you understand, there are many, 
 many areas where nothing is there at all. You understand that. And no matter 
 
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 how.. how much looks like it's there, there's just a lot of nothing there. 
 You look at any pentagon and it's true. So.. that was a labored joke. 
 
 All right, there's.. this bears no similarity to any buildings. Uh..
 we'll just say there's nothing in the center here. So therefore the center at
 all times is avoided as a point of origin. It's all times avoided. 
 
 Now what are you going to get if you have X-1 and.. and uh.. X-1 
 moving to X-2? That's all right. X-1 to X-2 in that pentagon. That will be
 okay, but uh.. what about moving X-1 to uh.. T-I? What about moving that? T
 is not for time; we're just being very snide about time by using time's 
 sacred symbol for something else. 
 
 Uh.. X to T, well, it's gotta follow a route like this. That right? 
 It's gotta go from here back through there. It's gotta avoid that because 
 nothing then goes through that point. All right, now what happens here when
 we move X-2 down here to T-2? If we moved it directly and those two things
 were moving you would get a flow action, whereby the X-l, T-1 flow would push
 out of line the X-2, T-2 flow. It would get sort of crowded in there. 
 
 It couldn't help but get crowded because you.. when you had.. can't 
 have the shortest line, uh.. a line is the shortest distance between two 
 points, why, you're naturally going to get a lot of lines coinciding in there
 someplace or another. So you get it going and get a different type of wave in
 that type of space; it's going to look different, it's going to feel 
 different and so forth. 
 
 Sound can't go, then, straight from X-1 to T-1; sound has to detour
 over here by the dotted line. So therefore sound with sound here's bunched up
 so there would be a higher intensity of sound at point S. So everybody knows,
 who lived in that universe, everybody would know that uh.. this was just an S
 point, and everybody would know sound got more intense at an S point. So 
 therefore it would be a very, very good thing uh.. to get a seat closer to 
 the S point. 
 
 What do you know, over here in this figure, your previous draft uh..
 over here everybody knows that sound in three-dimensional space goes back 
 here to the back wall and hits and comes forward this way and the greatest 
 intensity of sound is here, right in the center. So this is intensity. And 
 uh.. the sound is blurred though. 
 
 There's more sound action there at point "IN" but it's blurred, and 
 your greatest sound clarity would probably be then at back "B". Well, that's
 just a freak of three-dimensional space. It is distorted because of 
 three-dimensional space and the insistence on putting walls up in three- 
 dimensional space and so on. And so you'd get a different type of behavior of
 waves only if you had pentagonal space of some sort and supposing you made a
 real postulated space that every pentagonal space would go over to the right
 as a warp here. And this warp is where you put in the furniture you don't 
 want. Therefore you could.. you could actually train somebody who would see
 no motion at those points. 
 
 At that point of warp he would not make any points of origin; he 
 would collapse a point of origin, and the furniture which was "in there" 
 would never be there for anybody. You could train anybody you wanted to, in
 other words. Just start out from scratch and train people to view things 
 differently than they are viewing them and they would get a different 
 universe. 
 
 They would not only get a different universe, they would not 
 
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 necessarily get this one at all. If you would just want to make an experiment 
 sometime, get somebody trained to take every point, every uh.. this ought 
 to have a name on this.. on this figure 1 here, 0-1 uh.. 0-1 ought to be uh.. 
 called an anchor point. And just train him to have an anchor.. here's.. 
 here's his anchor points. Anything which he ordinarily orients his scenery by 
 would be his anchor points; without those anchor points he wouldn't have any 
 dimension. 
 
 He'd have to have that, uh.. pardon me, he wouldn't have any motion; 
 he would have dimension, but if he had to use OM-1 here all the time for his 
 origin point only and his dimensional point only, you see, he couldn't get 
 any.. any.. any motion himself. He couldn't get into motion. He wou1d 
 eventually get to a point where everything.. everything else moved but he 
 didn't. And he would see motion and freeze and, what do you know, that's one 
 of the commonest things you find out wrong with a preclear. He's gotten to n 
 point where everything else is in uncontrolled motion and so then he 
 conceives that he can't move. In order to control it he says, "I am these 
 dimensions and they are running in me. And therefore I'll stop then by not 
 moving." You get that as one of the first reactions in a preclear. He sees 
 something going fast, he stops. 
 
 The best way to anchor anything, one of the first and fundamental 
 ways to anchor anything down is to be the viewpoint of dimension of that 
 thing, because it is then owned. God owns the universe because he is a 
 viewpoint of dimension. 
 
 We've all said that he exists, but we've never said where the 
 viewpoint of dimension is and then all of us handily operate in groups and 
 postulate viewpoints of dimension for that particular area of the universe 
 and we're off. 
 
 We're all set, then we can see everything everybody else sees. We can
 get the same rations everybody else gets; we've trained ourselves to halo that.
 It was training, agreement that does that. 
 
 Now, what about somebody who is unable to control a motion? I et's say 
 he is unable to control a motion. Let's say that at OM-1 up there is out of 
 control. There's too much motion in there. How do you solve OM-1's concept. of 
 being in too frantic a motion? That's a dispersal case, mind you. 
 
 He's in too frantic a motion. You'll find out.. the first thing you 
 will find out is that these corner points, these anchor points here, O-l, 
 0-2, 0-3, 0-4, are in vibration. Me won't pin himself down as.. as something to 
 move in relationship to these viewpoints of dimension, these anchor points, 
 because he doesn't dare, things always get him out of there. 
 
 They chase him out of there. So he.. he's just gotten.. gotten 
 unconfident about the whole thing and he no longer desires to have, in figure 
 l, il-l, 0-2, 0-3 and 0-4 to be very static. He.. he doesn't want those tidings 
 to le motionless. 
 
 He wants to.. he's trying to shift the room out from underneath him
 on the theory that he might not be able to shift himself out of the room fast
 enough. Now you take a little test to that. You'll find most of your occluded 
 cases when you have them shut their eyes and try to hold an anchor point 
 still. Go ahead and shut your eyes and do that. Take that anchor point over 
 there and hold that thing still. 
 
 Don't let it move, hold it still. Now take that in relationship to 
 the other anchor point in this room, 0-2, and hold those things the same 
 
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 distance apart. And hold each one of then dead still. Don't let 'em shift.
 Any difficulty with that? All right. 
 
 What you're doing, you see, is you've.. you've already agreed that,
 those were 
 static and stable and there and then you thereafter didn't uh.. uh.. like 
 that agreement and your agreement leaf to disaster for yourself so you had 
 decided then that the best thing that you can do is to he kind of cautious 
 about that agreement, and you are actually kicking sideways from that 
 agreement and you don't want those points to stay still and that's why you 
 can't step easily out of the body and anchor up the atmosphere. You know what
 space is then? Viewpoint of dimension. 
 
 So you can have three kinds of space; you can have point of origin,
 you can have the viewpoint of dimension such as OM-1. You have.. this is the
 big, the big point of origin down here, 0. This is mythical. Then you've got
 OM-1, and then you've got anchor points 0-1, 0-2, 0-3, and 0-4, so that you
 can get motion into OM-1. Nothing will move unless you do that. 
 Okay, let's take a break. 
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