This instrument you see here, if you didn't know, is a demonstration
 model E-meter. This is actually called an A-meter. Volney built this so that
 I could give demonstrations, so he could give demonstrations. It s a 
 projection model machine. He makes these, I believe, for sale, for teaching 
 and so forth. And.. It has, I notice here, the new scale on the back of it. 
 And this machine is right up to date. 
 
 Now, uh.. if you want to know quite a bit about E-meters. The machine
 there is a very fancy and strange variety of Wheatstone Bridge. Volney 
 breadboarded this thing up rather rapidly and spontaneously. He did it for 
 Dianetics, and.. ah.. tells you something about that in the.. his literature
 that he puts out with the machine. And he puts out as well a book I wrote on
 these called ELECTROPSYCHOMETRIC AUDITING. 
 
 This machine, actually measures, according to the theory on which 
 we're operating, the density of a preclear. Now when we say density, we mean
 electronic density. You'll know much more about that. They're just vaguely 
 getting into it in the field of nuclear physics. The density of energy. 
 
 An individual has in suspension a certain amount of energy and when 
 you feed through that energy, which is in suspension, it s dense energy. It's
 not energy flowing, it's ridges. And when you feed through him a tiny trickle
 of current, the way the ridge is modulated by the auditor reflects on the 
 machine the amount of effort, emotion, counter-effort, and counter-emotion in
 the ridge or the dense area of energy is restimulated by what the preclear is
 answering up to. 
 
 Why when it's restimulated by the auditor's questions, and by the 
 preclear s actions, you get a variation of that needle. That's because it 
 varies the current trickling through the preclear by the varying ridge. Why,
 this is really very simple. If you had a block of ice and you put an 
 electrode on one side of the block of ice and an electrode on the other side
 of the block of ice you would get, if you fed from one electrode to the 
 other, you d get tiny little trickle through that block of ice. It s not a 
 good conductor, but you could soup it up until you've got a trickle of one 
 sort or another. 
 
 Now, if you were to make the block of ice bigger suddenly or smaller 
 suddenly, you of course would get a difference in that trickle of 
 electricity. Now what you re doing with the question - ridges go this way: 
 they're all in there on an associative basis or an identification basis, that
 is to say, you say the word "beans" to a preclear, he gets a certain off the
 ridges. A thetan doesn't think this way. But a ridge thinks this way, if a 
 ridge thinks at all. 
 
 You say beans to him and he runs off this terrific connotation on 
 beans this way and he had to eat beans when he was in the navy and beans and
 so forth. And he had a cap once upon a time called a beanie and on and on and
 on - James Joyce style. And you get this associative thought. Well, now that
 is a highly aberrated form of thought, in one form however, it is logic. In 
 another form, it is insanity. For instance you say the word, "road" to this 
 preclear.. he wouldn't know whether you were saying, "road" or, "rowed" until
 you'd asked the question a little more clearly. But if you say, he rode a 
 horse - you could say he "rowed" a herse to an insane preclear and that would
 be perfectly logical to the insane preclear. He "rowed" a horse. And words 
 and actions and symbols are very interesting in the way they associate in 
 these ridges. Actually, one wavelength associates with a wavelength and you 
 get an enormously messed up patch of association, all about this and all 
 about that, and all those things are contained in this one dense piece of 
 energy. Now it depends on how dense the preclear is, how he records on this
 
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 machine. And I mean that in its most literal sense; it's how dense he is. 
 
 Oddly enough, there is a level of density which produces rather heavy
 logic. The German level of density is something we should study on that. 
 Produces very interesting logic; also that level produces a language which
 lets you in on about 185 words and then tells you what the verb was, or lets
 you in on a whole bunch of words and then tells you what the subject of what
 we were talking about was. Japanese does practically the same thing; that's
 why people think it's.. it's actually a language like baby talk. But they get
 a delayed fuse on everything. The.. the stuff doesn't go off until you get
 clear back to the end of it. There's no flow on it. 
 
 Well, that s pretty heavily identified logic. Now you get the 
 lighter, more airy form of logic. Not very airy, but i' s quite a lot lighter
 in the field of mathematics. Well, mathematics is working more or less on 
 this same associative principle. In the abstract sense, the mathematician 
 says, "A A." He says, "equals." And there s no such thing in the MEST 
 universe as far as I m concerned in any universe, as a complete whole entire
 "equals." It s an absolute and it's an unobtainable thing. 
 
 But you can say in a formula, "1 1." The mathematician is satisfied
 with "1 1." He is perfectly satisfied with that. And yet look, "one what?" As
 long as you're with the abstract thought and you re not dealing with the real
 universe, you don't have to ask, "One what?" But if you say, "One apple 
 equals one apple." well, that's useful, useable, use it down at the grocery
 store, use all these places. But it doesn't happen to be true. There isn't an
 apple in the whole universe equal to another apple in the whole universe. The
 number of cells in an apple vary alarmingly. The thickness and size of the
 skin varies alarmingly. The size of the apple itself varies and even if you
 didn't take all of these things into effect, what do you have? You have two
 apples occupying different spaces. Now, you.. it s perfectly all right for
 you to say, you say, "One apple equals itself." as long as you don t ask 
 "When?" 
 
 So you have mathematics as a very nice way of writing in abstracts 
 and writing in symbols, and the only error mathematics ever makes is 
 supposing that those symbols are actual. The supposition - it doesn't make
 that mistake very often; mathematicians are pretty good at this by the way.
 They figure out all sorts of things and then they say, "I guess that's the
 answer."
 
 Now your preclear if he s real good shape - way up the tone scale, 
 you ask him to associate something with something else, he can do it just for
 kicks. He doesn't associate those two things. They might appear to somebody
 else to be quite close together, but he doesn't associate those two things.
 But you could, he'd say, "Oh yes, there's a relationship in there, so what?"
 Now you give him a symbol and he wants to know what this symbol applies to.
 Well, you tell it applies to so and so and so. That's very happy. He can 
 apply the symbol all over the place. He could get the German word for it, for
 an apple, and a French word for an apple, and the Japanese word for an apple.
 And say all these words are related because they're.. they all mean apple.
 But these are words. And words are statements, ah.. the words are vibrations
 of ah.. sound which is a method of ah.. communication, a specialized method
 of communication and.. and that applies and so forth, sure. 
 
 Don t ask a psychotic do they think that way, though. Oh no, you say,
 "symbol." He's got an, "object" right now, he's got an object. He can.. 
 he's.. he's really got an object. You give him another symbol, he's got 
 another object. And you say, "All right, now let's take the first symbol."
 He's just as happy to pick up this second symbol, show it to you - it's an
 
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 object. You won t be struck with this until you process a psychotic, which I 
 don't advise you to do. So what, so a psychotic. 
 
 But if you really want a little experience on as we go along a cycle 
 of action, on the deterioration, which is graphed on a tone scale of 
 beingness, of automaticity of this, of that, of other things, and so on. Just
 process a psycho or fool around with one for a short time and you'll have the
 darndest experience, because the word is the object. Has no further 
 connotation - it's just the object. You give him the word, "cat" and he's got
 a "cat." And then you could apply this object over on the side of a horse and
 he'd be very happy. 
 
 But.. he's being, "careful," he s being careful, because he knows 
 that the last ditch of his beingness is making sure that that object "cat" 
 c-a-t, the object c-a-t, is always applied to the object, "cat" with four 
 legs. There's two objects and we've gotta keep those together because if we 
 DON'T keep those together.. you come along and you're singing a song or 
 something of this sort - a person who's only started in that direction. 
 You're singing this song or something of the sort and you come to a point the
 third line, you use the word "a" instead of "the." And the original music it 
 was written, it was the word "a." It was A nice summer morning. And you come 
 along and you say, "The nice summer morning" - huuurh - No, no, he'll say.. 
 he'll stop you right there. He'll say, "It's, It's THE nice summer morning." 
 You got that now? 
 
 Now you get a person well up the tone scale and you could say, "The 
 beautiful dewy day," whether it rhymed or not and this person wouldn't give a
 darn. He s perfectly capable of knowing the difference between the right way,
 if there is one, that the song should go, and the way it goes. But this 
 fellow who's right on the borderline.. his universe, he's gotta be so 
 careful to agree with the universe. He's gotta be so careful about all this, 
 that he's fitting everything together. He reminds you of somebody who's 
 walking over crates of eggs without daring to crack one. It's fantastic! 
 
 Ah.. one of those fellows will, sometime you're processing one of
 them, they appear to be very wild and very irrational, until you start to
 process them and you have to pin them down on this, and you find out that
 wild irrationality is very carefully done according to pattern. 
 
 And the fellow s sitting there and you'll say, "Well we re going to 
 process you for a few minutes, now." 
 
 And he'll say, "Well, ah.. just a minute, uh.. you'll have to turn on 
 the radio."
 "Why do you have to turn on the radio?" 
 "Well, I have to get the time signal." 
 "Well, what's the time signal got to do with it?" 
 
 "Well, you say a few minutes, we've got to measure it with a time 
 signal, get the Arlington time signal going, and we'll get that time signal 
 on and then it'll be all right and I'll be able to measure it with a time 
 signal. And then I'll be able to sit here." 
 
 And.. ah.. well, "Why.. why.. why if I process you that..?" 
 
 "Well, you see if.. if you process we and I.. I wasn't keeping the 
 time myself - it would get away. And.. ah.. so I keep this time very 
 
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 carefully and the time signal, I have to keep it for us." 
 Theurrg! 
 
 Th1s fellow s having a terrible time, see. He s gone to a point of
 agreement, but he's found out it doesn't matter how much he agrees. It just 
 doesn't matter. But he's down there. And he's still trying to agree. He knows
 most horrible punishment awaits him if he doesn't agree. And sure enough, 
 speaking a little more on this agreement, it doesn't do anything BUT in this 
 universe. 
 
 Little boy runs down the street. If he forgets the fact that you pick
 up your feet in order to run, he'll go flat on h1s face and the MEST universe
 will hit him in the face, and it will hurt his nose, and it will hurt his 
 knees and it will bung up this nice little aesthetic thing called a body 
 and.. he didn't agree with it. In the MEST universe, you have to pick up the 
 feet of a body to run. 
 
 Now you go out here, and you don't agree with the MEST universe, you
 start down the street and you say, "Well, it doesn't matter to me. I m going 
 to put the left hand sides of all the streets on the right hand sides of all 
 the streets. And I'm going to go down the left hand side of the street, 
 saying: It's the right hand side of the street and these other guys can go to
 hell." There s a dull crash! And you re in the repair shop. 
 
 It's a very uncompromising universe. It doesn't know anything about
 there might be another way. It.. it.. it just doesn't know that. An 
 engineer.. it takes an engineer to take this universe apart, really, for this
 reason: he has a disciplined thought. The MEST universe has taught him 
 better. 
 
 He's got a mountain out there and he's gonna put a railroad through,
 well, he puts that railroad through that mountain with a tunnel. He doesn't 
 just run the tracks to this side of the mountain and then resume the tracks 
 on the other side of the mountain, and then give the Twentieth Century 
 Limited a highball to go down that track. He's learned better. He's learned 
 that if you're agreeing, if you're going to do anything physically with the 
 MEST universe, you've got to work with its laws. 
 
 Now the only distance we have gone there is the distance that the 
 laws of the HEST universe are based on a basic series of agreements, which 
 gradually became more and more and more agreement; and they became very 
 solid. 
 
 Now, when I talk about this E-meter here then, you are measuring, 
 really, a gradient scale that goes from identif1cat1on - he rode a horse, he 
 rowed a horse, same thring - up through.. ah.. riding horses, something or 
 other, is a good exercise and.. ah.. I guess that s why he rode a horse every
 morning, fairly logical. To well, "Horses get ridden, so what?" up to, 
 "Riding horses - can you ride horses? All right, let s create a horse and 
 see."
 
 Now, it a measuring a level of reason. Now as you go up that level of
 reason, you'll find out that Homo sapiens considers things reasonable, most 
 reasonable, at about 3.0, a conservative statement. He doesn't like very 
 positive statements. This universe has taught him to be careful, taught him 
 that when you say to the body "run" and then don t pick the body's feet up, 
 that it falls flat on its face and gets all scarred up. And so he accepts 
 this rather. 
 
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 But you talk to a thetan about this and the thetan has a much wider
 band. Why? Well, in the first place, he can make himself invisible or make
 himself visible. Therefore, he can t be easily spotted by the MEST universe.
 Furthermore, he's not dependent upon MEST universe distances. He doesn't get
 upset by these distances. These distances are nothing to him. So he's already
 licked the MEST universe space. And you'll find out he s very airy about the
 whole thing, quite airy. I mean his.. his.. what you could consider a fabric
 of logic to a thetan: Well, here's three men on a subway train, and one of
 them - there's a strange roaring and so on - and one of them says, one of 
 them says, "I'm going to." Oh, let's make it an underground. "Ah.. I'm going
 to get of at Wembley." And the fellow next to him say, "No, it's Thursday."
 and the third fellow says, "I'm Thursday too. Let s all get off and have a
 beer." 
 
 Well, now the reason why that sounds strange, to you, is because it's
 not by gradient scale. I'll use this example again. If the first fellow said
 something on the order of, ah.. "I'm going up to Wembley." And the fellow 
 said, "I m going there tomorrow, but.. uh.. that's Thursday." And the third
 fellow says, "Ah.. ah.. Thursday's as good a time to have a drink as any."
 It s logical, so it's not funny. 
 
 But Homo sapiens depends upon that level of logic. He can't skip skip
 skip and then pretend it's logical. A thetan can do that. A thetan can just
 sit down and pretend it's logical. And he said, "The submarines, ah.. the 
 submarines all have chrysanthemums because of the beer." And the other 
 felllow's supposed to figure that out. And.. uh.. well, he's just stupid. He
 just doesn't get the point, that the ruddyrods are on the left underside of
 no spokes. 
 
 So when you.. when you get this.. this non-sequitur level, Homo 
 sapiens goes mad. Oh, actually, you can just.. you can just punish. You can
 punish somebody at about 1.1 on the Tone Scale. Just brutalize them. Just by
 sitting there talking that way and pretending you're making sense. You'll 
 practically cave their brains in before you get through. And if you just keep
 on in a reasonable tone of voice and explain to them, "Don't you understand?
 The.. the submarine's chrysanthemums." You get the idea? 
 
 And they'll say, "Oh, you mean Japanese submarines." And you say, 
 "No, no, no, no, no, no, just the.. just the.. just the submarine's 
 chrysanthemums, that's all." Now, if you try to stretch in a couple of more
 details in there to bridge that gap. And all of a sudden, he'll just explode
 in your face. 
 
 Now, by straining a ridge with that non sequitur thing you can make a
 ridge blow up on a guy. You can give him a cold. You can upset him. You gotta
 be logical all the way through. We won't worry too much about that ridge. 
 
 This thing simply measures the relative density of the person's 
 ridges. The thicker those ridges are, the closer that person is to 
 associating across the boards on any subject, and the less able he is to 
 start and stop, increase or decrease a chain of logic. You get a person, for
 instance, who - you start him in on one thought, and they just go on, on that
 thought. Oh, just ad nauseum. They just keep going. And they just.. by the
 yard. 
 
 You.. you started out and you mentioned, unfortunately, the fact that
 you were once in Singapore, and you go on from there. "Singapore, let's see,
 Singapore, that's in the Malay Straits settlements, isn't it? I knew a fellow
 once who was in Singapore, and he told me that there were two-thousand-six-
 hundred-and-twenty-one police in the City of Singapore alone. Now I 
 
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 understand that there are twenty-one races mingled in Singapore." Did you
 ever run across one of these Almanac people or encyclopedia people? Don't
 push him a button, because they just start to run.
 
 Well, that's not.. that's far from insane. It's just associating too
 neatly and too much and it's just a little bit out of control on the subject
 of control thought. So this fellow just goes along this line too, and it goes
 on up in Homo sapiens to the person that you say something to them and this
 reminds them of something else, which reminds them of something else, which
 reminds them of something else, which reminds them of something else, over
 here. And these things are not very related, but all of this is completely..
 completely psycho-seriousness. 
 
 They're reminded of all of these things, they're not really 
 differentiating. They're running a dispersal. 
 
 This person will register, the freak, on this machine. This person 
 registers off the scale at the top. This person is dispersing. They're 
 sitting in the middle of an explosion. That s the actual fact of the matter.
 There isn't any ridge closer to them than about two thousand miles. There is
 an explosion of great violence and they're sitting right in the middle of 
 this explosion and they're holding on to the explosion at the moment it 
 exploded just that way and their ridges are blown way out there again. And
 they get nothing association with nothing but it's not funny to them. Life is
 very serious to these people. They are very easily upset. 
 
 The second that you start.. you can recognize this person 
 immediately: if a person is way up scale and does this you know you've got a
 dispersal case, and they sit between 1.1 and 1.3; pardon me, 1.0 and 1.3, on
 the Tone Scale. And you just ask them to contact the feeling of something 
 expanding. 
 
 And if they get up, throw the cans of the machine down, look at you
 furiously, stamp, leave the house, run away, do something like that, or if
 you have just difficulty in keeping them in the chair after you've asked them
 that question, they're there on the Tone Scale. They're a dispersal case. 
 
 They read high because the second you ask them to alter the condition
 of the dispersal they start blowing out; they start blowing. You unbalance
 this dispersal they're sitting in to a point where they get into the flow,
 stream themselves and they have the sensation of the body simply being blown
 off someplace. And so they jump up, they get nervous, they want to walk away
 or their thoughts get very very flighty. 
 
 Now that is a very, very peculiarly, I mean it's.. it s just one 
 point on the Tone Scale, and it's a peculiar case - it's an oddity. But that
 is disassociation in the field of psychiatry. I don t know why psychiatry 
 would lay much stress on this word disassociation because it is a peculiar
 special case. 
 
 Your people who are really daffy don't disassociate. It's.. the 
 persons in pretty good shape who can disassociate. They can at least disperse
 around. The fellow you want to be careful of is this fellow who sits there
 and just goes on ad nauseum without any real connection. Who thinks he is 
 being completely logical. Who would say, "The submarines? Well, that's a 
 matter of chrysanthemums, isn't it?" There's no.. no humor in this. He s 
 doing this carefully. Being very careful, he gets all of those things just
 exactly sorted out. You know on the big ENIAC and other things, they have 
 what they call a bullpen. Material comes in on this bullpen, shoots in there
 and halts for more material to be fed to it. And when new material is fed to
 
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 this material, which is only part of a solution, why then that material can
 clear and go through, into the conclusion of the banks. 
 
 So there's this route there with this big bullpen. Now there are 
 people - almost anyone of us have done this - they get the datum in the 
 bullpen over here and it won't clear. It won't clear. It's just stuck, right
 there. It's not going to go anyplace. Somebody has told 'em a joke and they
 have not been able to see that this thing was a joke, and they haven't gotten
 the point of this joke. And they keep worrying about the point of the joke 
 and actually two or three years from then, they will be thinking of something
 else and this joke will boomp them. 
 
 Now that is.. that is.. a bullpen datum. It just won't add up any 
 place according to their frame of logic. Now a person has to be willing to 
 disassociate grandly, in order to clean up his bullpen just at will. Just look
 through there and say well, gee, what a lot of disrelated garbage and give it
 a yo-heave. If a person s quite bad off, he just never cleans his bullpen. 
 And if you start to audit him, you'll find he all of sudden will start a line
 charge; he'll laugh for 48 hours. What's he doing? The only thing he's doing
 is just cleaning data out of this bullpen. You brought him up the line, to a
 point where he can start cleaning stuff out of the bullpen, it's going out of
 there so fast, he can't even examine it. And he's just in a whirr of data. 
 He's cleaning up whole ridges full of disrelated material. The bullpen is an
 actual geographical thing. It's the unrelated datum on the ridge. This thing
 will pick up bullpen data quicker than anything else. 
 
 You find then, anything which isn't connected and isn't clean, a.. 
 there's no conclusion on it, and there's no evaluation on a datum, that datum
 will just sit up there like a signal flag. Why? Because it doesn't fit on the
 rest of the ridge, it can't go into flow with anything. It can't flow 
 anyplace. Anytime it tries to flow anyplace, there's nothing will connect to
 it. And so it just bounces around, this way and that way, and you get this 
 reaction on the machine. You'll see that that confounded thing is very plain
 on the machine. 
 
 Now the greatest exaggeration of that is known as the Theta Bop. The
 Theta Bop is a peculiar thing. The thetan is still sticking with a MEST 
 object. Now get the magnitude of this bullpen datum - it's just a bullpen 
 datum. It's just an unsolved problem. And the unsolved problem was the body
 itself. And in many cases, you will find not only does the thetan just think
 he s there, but the thetan is actually there geographically. And that Theta
 Bop; there s only one thing in Homo sapiens that I know of, that uniformly 
 produces the Theta Bop. There possibly are other things that produce it. 
 There's a much wider one which shows up on home universe. Because that was a
 whole universe the fellow didn't want to give away with. But it's still a 
 bullpen datum. He's never solved why it went by the boards. What happened to
 his universe? 
 
 You can take a girl preclear particularly and just ask her for the 
 time the stars fell down. And you re liable to get yourself ah.. ah.. a two
 kleenex boxes grief charge. That's because you're talking about the 
 destruction of her home universe before she entered the MEST universe. 
 
 But now what's this Theta Bop thing? It's just a little bop.. it just
 goes tick tick tick tick tick. I don t know you could probably make it on 
 this machine with great ease. Uh the.. I keep forgetting this machine is.. is
 exactly in reverse that scale to your E-meters. So I'll have to stand on the
 other side of the wall and look at it if you don t mind. 
 
 Now your Theta Bop looks something like this. Not quite as jerky as 
 
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 that. You see this machine doing something on the order of this.. why you got
 yourself the body he's stuck in and it's not the body he's in. Because that's
 the biggest bullpen datum a preclear can have. His.. it went wrong and the 
 body shouldn't have been killed. And it shouldn't have been killed, and it 
 didn't get buried properly, and it left all these responsibilities hanging 
 fire. And it was all out of time, and it shouldn't have occurred. And.. ah..
 hum hum, that s a big datum. And my gosh, he'll have all of those body's 
 ridges around with this body s ridges clipping in and out whenever you start
 to ask him about it. 
 
 It s the big datum and the datum adds up to: it is such a serious 
 problem. Is .. is this 1952 or 1812? Is it - what.. what s the date? And if
 you give him a flash like that quickly. You say, "What's the date?" Now he'll
 say, "It s 18.. it s 1952." And if he's a very clever sly individual, you 
 say, "What's the date?" "1952" You say, "What did you think of first?" "Oh, I
 don't know, it just went by as a blur." Ah, you saw that.. that Theta Bop, 
 that little shake back and forth there. 
 
 Ah.. that is, the most interesting manifestation on the machine to an
 auditor who simply sits the preclear down in the chair and put the hands.. in
 the cans, and asks him something about, "Are you here?" Or ah.. "What are you
 thinking about?" Or.. er.. any other.. er.. "Did you ever live before?" Or 
 something like that. He'll just get a sweep of some sort if the person is not
 stuck on that Theta Bop. He'll just get a sweep - a gradual rise, a gradual
 fall, something very normal on answers to his questions and may be sags when
 he hits something hot. But if he just asks those questions in the first two
 or three minutes of play - and you get a Theta Bop, this guy's stuck. This 
 guy's not even.. he doesn't even realize he's in the body he's in at this 
 moment. He is actually hanging around with a body sometime in the past. And
 it might be a doll, he might be stuck in a ship some place, he might be any
 place, but he's back there. 
 
 Now what do you do? You just apply creative processing to this as a 
 remedy. You don t particularly run it. Of course, once in a while.. once in a
 while your own.. your own desire for interest and randomity will get such, 
 that you, you just can't resist, you can't resist doing something about this.
 You just, "Gee where is he stuck?" Creative processing won t tell you that.
 
 So you.. you start asking him, "Is he here? Is he there?" and so on.
 Well, we had a chap in class who s a very interesting fellow. He was a nice
 guy. I don t think Dianetics had.. an enormous reality to him. Ah.. Dianetics
 had a pretty good reality and Scientology had practically no reality. We re
 talking about things l1ke past bodies and that sort of thing. And ah.. 
 actually, that s not even important to what we re doing now, but.. ah.. it s
 phenomena and it s very interesting. This chap - things just a little bit 
 unreal to him so one day the instructor got a hold of him, and the instructor
 put him on the machine and was going to give a demonstration of ARC 
 processing. 
 
 He starts this, "Now remember a time that is absolutely real to you."
 "Now remember a time when you were really in communication with somebody," so
 on.. Machine start, Theta Bop, very nice little Theta Bop. He kept asking him
 ARC questions and the Theta Bop began to reduce. Course, he was just with 
 ARC Straightwire pulling this fellow out of that other body. 
 
 And the Instructor couldn't stand this. It was too much for him 
 because it meant if that reduced all the way, then he'd have a hard time 
 finding out where the fellow really was. 
 
 So he gives him a couple of flash answers and a terrible thing has
 
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 occurred there. It's been the fellow's first command. He's a young captain 
 and it's the Battle of the Nile. And just at the moment when Nelson is 
 winning his great victory, this fellow as a young frigate captain, one of the
 fleet captains, is on his own quarterdeck, mind you. He's been successful in
 his action, when a bunch of French, as a last desperate effort, throw a 
 boarding party aboard his ship and in the fracas he's killed. And the 
 trumpets are blowing throughout the fleet and the signals are going out 
 throughout all the fleet calling recalls stating that a victory has been had
 and there he lies on a coil of hemp looking at the trucks of his own ship, 
 dying. You see, just shouldn't have died at that moment. He was killed after
 the victory took place, really. And this shouldn't have happened, and so 
 there he's been ever since. There he WAS. I mean that Theta Bop bop bop bop 
 bop. All of a sudden this incident had tremendous reality to this fellow, 
 probably more reality than present time. 
 
 And just ran it off, knocked it out, brought him up to present time.
 This fellow will learn, and became possibly the best student we had in the 
 class. His bullpen had that big datum in it so everything that went into the
 bullpen kept knocking into that datum that says, "I am dying at the Battle of
 the Nile." And naturally, the way a fellow who is dying at the Battle of the
 Nile would evaluate things is not a way a fellow in 1952 who's in good health
 would evaluate things. And so this made a continual and consistent maybe. 
 
 Now you'll find that Theta Bop then, is very important to you on 
 theta clearing because you have to take him out of the other body first 
 before you take him out of this body. 
 
 I mean, you ask the fellow, you say to the fellow, "All right now, 
 now step out of your body." Your machine goes creak, it drops, it falters. 
 You can actually see the tug on the machine. Nope, didn't work. You go on 
 down the line. Before you've been at this very long, you'll see that Theta 
 Bop show up. He s trying to pull out of a body back in the stone ages or he's
 trying to pull out of a body on Mars or he's trying to pull out of a body on
 Arcturus or he's trying to pull out of a body, of some doll, someplace. Or 
 he s been a witch doctor or ir, a temple and he was terribly successful there
 and he prepared this big cup of poison in order to slip it to the Vestal 
 Virgins or somebody who had riot taken his prophecy seriously so as to make it
 come true right out on schedule, and.. uh.. he drinks it by accident. 
 Something like that. 
 
 Or he's.. he s gone on this big expedition somewhere and the natives
 get a hold of him and they put him in front of the doors of the city gate and
 they take a big battering ram and they hold it back very carefully, see, and
 all of a sudden they let it go bong! And just before it hits him, he hears 
 the cavalry coming to his rescue. Nothing can stop that battering ram - 
 nothing. And he hears the, the clop, clop of cavalry hooves on the pavement,
 he knows, he knows, that help is right there. Only it s just fifteen seconds
 too late. That'll stick him with a bullpen datum. 
 
 And after that you put him on the machine. The machine goes toc, toc,
 toc, toc, toc, toc. Now a preclear can have several of these things, but 
 ordinarily only has a couple, at the most, and usually just one. Now, 
 ordinarily about 50 percent of your people just don't have any. 
 
 So, you put a person on this machine, mostly to tell you what your
 course of action is going to be and to do an assessment to use in creative
 processing. I'll go into that much better. 
 
 We have a way of doing an assessment now which is just uh.. uh.. just
 awful, it s just terrible. You don t really have to know what's wrong with 
 
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 the preclear. You don't ask him what's wrong with a preclear, you don't 
 diagnose him in any way. You just ask him a series of questions and wherever
 the machine drops, why that's the question. And then you use creative 
 processing on that zone of the eight dynamics. 
 
 It s very mechanical, but because it s very mechanical, the reason 
 why you're doing it might get lost. Now the reason why you're doing it is to
 make a theta clear. And the second step of the reason why you're doing it is
 to make a cleared theta clear. And that's why you're making an assessment. 
 
 And you can cost yourself an awful lot of time. I made a terrible 
 blunder a few months ago in London. A girl, a couple of months ago, a girl 
 came in, somebody's wife, and I processed her for four hours without cracking
 the case, four hours. She was a theta clear, but I was trying to boost her on
 up the line. Spent four hours, slug, slug, slug. It was late too. And do you
 know why I spent four hours - and why I didn't bust it in fifteen minutes? 
 For a good, real good reason, is I'd gotten cocky in my old age. I can look 
 at people s ridges and see what's on 'em just like you'd be able to do and 
 that's fine. I see all that. And we know all about that. And we look in the 
 pa.. and that s all there is to that. And bong! And then nothing happens, you
 see. Do all that again and go through all that and then, bong, nothing 
 happens. You say now, wait a minute - must be.. must be, I'm down in 
 horsepower or something of the sort. Here, you're getting all ready to turn on
 some juice, and knock the ridges off of this pc just with pure electricity. 
 Say to the dickens with it, the heck with auditing. 
 
 That s very bad for a pc by the way, but it's a wonderful exercise 
 for an auditor. Ah.. generally puts the pc in apathy. He s never really 
 evaluated the material or consented to let it go and all of a sudden - rip! 
 It's gone.
 
 And I hadn't done, in my feeling of great cockiness and ego, I hadn't
 done an assessment on the girl. I hadn't done an assessment, I hadn't put her
 on the E-meter and looked over her case, dynamic by dynamic, for creative 
 processing. I hadn't done that and so I wasted four hours of processing - 
 just wasted it. And the time I found this, it was so late and she was very 
 tired and she went home and practically spun the next morning because I just
 ticked this thing. And we passed her over, she got a little more processing,
 and of course the diagnosis.. passed immediately onto her auditor. It took 
 her about twenty-four hours to pull out of this thing. 
 
 She was in terrible shape before I got hold of her. She wasn't in bad
 shape then, as she was before but you get the idea. You spend four hours on 
 the case and in the last two seconds of play, find out what's wrong with the
 case and it's too late and the body is too exhausted; the preclears body is
 too exhausted to continue processing. That happened to me, so it can happen 
 to you. I m sure of it, because of this: you re never completely aware of 
 this preclear because he figures time probably differently than you do. And 
 you've gotta go to a lot of trouble to look over his bank in person and sort
 it all out and that s a lot of malarkey. You shouldn't have to do that. 
 
 You put him on an E-meter, you ask him an assessment, according to a 
 rote procedure. It s just one, two, three, four, five - you're only asking 
 him one real thing. You're asking him, what can't he create and what can't he
 destroy? That s all you're asking him - dynamic by dynamic. Dynamic by 
 dynamic, what can't he create, what can't he destroy? 
 
 That could also be phrased as, what is he unwilling to create, what
 is he unwilling to destroy? In other words it's a can't assessment, and then
 you apply creative processing to what he can't do. 
 
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 Now, you not only take an assessment when you begin the case, but you
 take an assessment after you've been working the case for a while. You work
 the case maybe four or five hours, take another assessment. Cause what s 
 happened there is, you've gotten off the hottest factors. And the evaluation
 may have shifted so that the things which you assessed as can'ts before are
 too minor now to bother with. They've blown too, but there s some other 
 can'ts that you didn't ask about before which are ready to come up. 
 
 And.. so.. you take another assessment, and if you continue this 
 process every few hours, to take an E-meter assessment of the case, you're in
 good shape with your case. And you're making rapid progress, quite rapid. 
 You're just going along zippity zip and getting something done. You don't 
 suddenly find yourself stuck at four o'clock in the morning not being able to
 solve what's wrong with this preclear. If you ever find yourself in that sort
 of a state of affairs you just didn't take an assessment, that's all. 
 
 I taught myself that lesson very sharply and so, of course, I'm 
 teaching it to you equally sharply. 
 
 Ah.. now, what is an assessment? You re gonna get this in much 
 greater detail but I'll just give you this just offhand. What is an 
 assessment? Well, we just mark it up like this: this is an assessment. Create
 - destroy. Now this is a very elementary assessment I m giving you. There is
 a more complex assessment. This has some additional factors in it which 
 merely put with create and destroy other related factors with create akd 
 destroy, and it simply permits you to do a more sensitive assessment. But 
 this is still the basic assessment. The other just makes it a little better.
 This is the basic material, right here. Now that's also in the center there,
 change. But you'll find that for a crude first-run assessment, you re not too
 worried about what he can or can't change. That'll turn up. 
 
 He changes much more easily than he creates and destroys. So this is
 an assessment and the assessment merely wants to know what he can't create 
 and what he can't destroy in terms of mock-ups, illusions, created mock-ups.
 
 All right, now let's follow this a little bit further here and let's
 look at create and let's find an individual who can only create; he cannot 
 destroy anything. He can't destroy a thing; he can only create things. He 
 could just create, and create, and create, and create. He's insane. He.. he..
 well, look what would happen to him. He couldn't destroy anything, that would
 mean relatively he actually couldn't part with anything. And so will his 
 ridges be in that state. He can create and create and create and he's holding
 on to everything. He's.. he's just got everything stuck to him. He'll be 
 thick. He'll register quite low on this machine. 
 
 All right, so create, now over here, is destroy. And supposing you 
 have somebody who can do nothing but destroy. He can't create a thing. He can
 only destroy. Humph, he's crazy, obviously. Well, we grant the fact that the
 person who can only destroy is crazy. But the person who would only create,
 is equally mad. 
 
 There's one difference between these two. A person who can only 
 create will be found to be higher on the scale, ordinarily, than the person
 who can only destroy because you're actually looking here from when you take
 create and destroy over here - if you were going to graph this on the tone 
 scale - it would go down scale 20.0 over here to zero point zero. 
 
 I mean, you just turn your Tone Scale up and make it horizontal and
 you'd have that graph on there. All right, this is.. 20.0 which is maximum
 optimum action, which is in the center of it. Well now, a person then, to 
 
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 create and destroy would have here for sanity - theoretical, sanity of this
 individual depends on being able to create and destroy anything, not just in
 terms of illusion, and so on. 
 
 Now when you understand that isn't a philosophy of life. Fellow by 
 the name of Friedrich Nietzsche wrote "Thus Spake Zarathustra" which offers 
 THIS as a philosophy of life. Nietzsche went mad and so will anybody go mad 
 that tries to use that as a philosophy of life. For the good reason that it 
 is too unlimited in the absence of a knowledge of this universe to be 
 executable. It can't be executed. And a person who can equally create and 
 destroy anything finds himself associated with a group and has actually what 
 could be considered to be the ninth dynamic which will be aesthetics. And the
 tenth dynamic, which would probably be ethics, if you were going to go way on
 out beyond this universe, saying that the eight dynamics we have apply to 
 this universe. 
 
 This universe knows nothing about ethics. Any time you get an ethic 
 in this universe, it's a moral, and they're not similar. So that isn't a code
 of existence or a philosophy of existence. Anybody who can do all this f1nds 
 himself automatically moving in to the necessity for an ethic and so adopts 
 an ethic: reasonable behavior, rational behavior. 
 
 But, for the purposes of assessment, it points up the bad spots in a 
 person s abilities and disabilities. And it points up, every.. what do you 
 know, it points up every one of the bullpen data. And you get all the data 
 sitting out here in the bullpen. "Should I have killed that little dog or 
 shouldn't I have killed that little dog. I shouldn't of killed that little 
 dog. We11 I guess I oughta have killed that little dog. No, I couldn't have 
 killed that little dog. No, there's a new datum that says I shouldn't have 
 killed the little dog." 
 
 You'll find somebody who's reading a book will very often write on 
 the margins of the book. You go to the library and you can open up books at 
 the library and you'll find out a lot of these books at the library have 
 marginal notes of the most ordinary material in them. It says, "God is good"
 and that s all underscored and it's routine. This person has taken this as a
 terribly vital data. And the next thing is "Bread is usually white in America
 and is black in other countries." big underscores under the thing. Ah.. 
 "Rocks are hard ." Oh boy, big agreement. 
 
 And you look at this book and you wonder what idiot read this thing. 
 Well, the guy wasn't an idiot. He's just got a bullpen over here and this 
 bullpen requires the most ordinary reassurances in order to clear data. 
 
 People will read tomes of philosophy just to find one tiny little 
 datum that will agree with what they need to clear a problem out of the 
 bullpen. And they all of a sudden will pick up this datum and why, they say, 
 "Somebody else said it and this person is well known and therefore it must be
 true so that clears the datum out of the bullpen. Now I don't have to worry 
 all this time about what I did with a washing machine wringer and grandma." 
 
 But it points what, it points right back to all the maybes of the 
 case. Bullpen datum is a maybe. So we have to take the dynamics here. One, 
 two, three, four, five, six, seven, and eight. And over here we take one, 
 two, three, four, five, six, seven, and eight. We just take those as such and
 we make an assessment of the case. We find out what he cant't create, can't 
 create, can't create. We just ask about objects, and items, and conditions, 
 underneath these dynamics under create. And we ask for objects, items, and 
 conditions under destroy. 
 
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 Now we watch the little needle and we mark it as it dives, and we
 just make a graph of this character; that s all there is to that graph. Ah..
 and there you have it. 
 
 Now it s very simple, isn't it? Now you apply mock-up processing to 
 that. Now the reason I m giving you this material at this stage of the 
 course.. is just to give you an orientation on what s important as we go on
 through. There's lots more to this. There s lots of basic reasons and so 
 forth, but we're giving you just the simple surface simplicity of this 
 material showing you what we are studying. 
 
 Now, if you would come and sit down there and take these two cans in
 your hand, we will ask you what you are unwilling to create and destroy. 
 Probably we will find all sorts of things here. I won't ask any embarrassing
 questions ah.. particularly. 
 LRH: Have you got hold of the cans? 
 PC: Uh-huh. 
 
 LRH: Yes? Well, well, well, my goodness, you poor thing. Is there an
 undertaker in the house? That's all right, look look here, you're way up on
 the machine. 
 
 See that? Hey you are.. you re way up on the machine. Yeh, no trouble
 with that. Ah.. Now that machine goes opposite to the E-meters which you 
 have. In other words, your E-meter falls that-a-way and rises that-a-way and
 this does the opposite. So we'll bring this thing back here. And she shows 
 that she has a rising tone here. Now she's rising a little bit. 
 
 LRH: How do you like explosions, huh? You like explosions? Have you
 seen an explosion recently? 
 
 PC: No. 
 
 LRH: You haven t, huh? Have you ever experienced a violent explosion?
 Have you ever been caught in a violent explosion? Have you ever been caught
 in a violent explosion? 
 
 PC: Don t think so. 
 
 LRH: Isn't that interesting? Look what we found on the machine right
 now. It doesn't matter whether your preclear looks at this dial or not until
 he clunk.. he can actually get out of his body and kick this machine around,
 much to the dismay of an auditor. But he really has to be out of his body to
 do it. If you.. we re working on a instrument over in England, which is an 
 instrument of proximity so your thetan can come near the instrument and you
 can actively, closely.. ah.. read the thetan.. er.. with a tiny little 
 activation and so on. We're working on this, I don't know if it'll ever 
 develop or not. Where is it? How many years ago? That's a Theta Bop in case
 you haven't noticed it. I of course wouldn't have picked you if I had 
 suspected that was coming. Ah.. all right, now what is it now? An explosion?
 
 PC: I don't think so. 
 
 LRH: Oh, no no. All right, how many years ago, order of magnitude? 
 Tens? More than tens of years ago? We're looking for an explosion. Now did it
 occur more than tens of years ago? Did it occur less than tens of years ago?
 Did it occur just a few years ago? How about a gas stove blowing up? 
 
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 PC: No. 
 
 LRH: No, that wasn't it? Oh, come now, come now, gas stove blowing 
 up? What was it that blew up? City? Oh, oh.. how many years ago? Tens of 
 years ago? Now you're getting there. Tens of years ago? Hundreds of years 
 ago? 
 
 You can note as procedure on this meter that I m selecting out time 
 rather than subject. The only reason I'm throwing subject in here is strictly 
 for persiflage to amuse the preclear. The only thing I'm interested in is how 
 many years ago did this occur. 
 
 LRH: All right, tens of years ago? Hundreds of years ago? More than 
 hundreds? Thousands of years ago? Thousands? What did you get? You had a 
 thought there. 
 
 PC: No 
 
 LRH: Are you refusing to think? Won't do you any good. It sees all, 
 knows all. Hundreds of years ago? Thousands of years ago? Tens of thousands 
 of years ago? Tens of thousands of years ago? Hundreds of thousands of years 
 ago? Is it hundreds of thousands? Millions of years ago? Millions of years 
 ago? Billions of years ago? Boy, you've really got that thing balked, haven't 
 you? Well, let's take the lock off of it - let's get the gas stove explosion. 
 What gas stove blew up? Come on, what? 
 
 PC: Not that I know of. 
 
 LRH: Come on, there s something startled you. Something blew up in 
 your life some time or another. Did it? What.. what startled you by blowing 
 up? Nothing? How about fourth of July? 
 
 PC: I can't think of. 
 
 LRH: Nope, not fourth of July. 
 
 Now that needle is trying to swing down to a stuck manifestation on
 this Theta Bop. That is a Theta Bop; that s not as clear as you'll see Theta
 Bops, it's not as good as. All right. Ah.. 
 
 LRH: Is this the last life? Is this your last life? Immediately your
 last life? Is it your last death? How many years ago? All right,when I count
 from one to five, a number will flash. 1,2,3,4,5, (snaps his fingers) What?
 
 PC: Nothing. 
 
 LRH: No, nothing flashed? Nothing flashed at all? Huh? 
 
 All right, now I found that Theta Bop, I m going to give her creative
 processing. We'll see how that compares. We haven t actually located, 
 necessarily,.that we re in the middle of an explosion. All we're getting a
 rising scale on the line and so on. I was just talking about that because of
 the way the meter reads. Might be something entirely different. Now we're 
 looking, however, for a body. We're looking for a body. 
 
 LRH: How would you hate to have a body lying? What would be the worst 
 place for a body to lie? Where? Open field? Body lying in an open field? Or a 
 body lying in a house? A body lying in a temple? In an undertaking parlor? In 
 a wreck? In a body dying on a hospital bed? What have you got? Now what did 
 you used to have nightmares about as you were a little child? Buried alive? 
 
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 Um? Used to have nightmares about being buried alive? What did you have 
 nightmares about? Must have had nightmares about something? How about falling 
 off cliffs? Ever have any nightmares about that? Don't you ever remember a 
 current recurring nightmare? 
 
 Evidently nothing worrying her on that score. All right, let's do a 
 little creative processing on there. 
 
 LRN: Now, you know what I mean by a mock-up? A-mock up is simply 
 something you make which you know is yours and know that you made. That's 
 all. Ah.. let's have an illusion. 
 
 Now, let's put a small man out here and know you made him. You got
 him? You can do it with your eyes closed if you want to. You know you made
 him? Is he yours? Got him? Make him jump up in the air. 
 
 PC: Uh-huh. 
 
 LRH: Got him jumping up in the air? 
 
 PC: Uh-huh. 
 
 LRll: Well, make him jump in the air so hard he goes through this 
 floor and onto the next floor. Make him do that? 
 
 LRH: Huh? Did he do it? Is he having a rough time getting through the 
 ceiling? 
 
 PC: Yeah. 
 
 LRH: Huh? 
 
 PC: Yeah. 
 
 LRH: Cut a hole out of the ceiling, cut a hole out of the ceiling and 
 have him jump through the hole. Now you can make him do that can't you? 
 
 PC: Hmmm.. 
 
 LRH: HHHMM? 
 PC: He seems to be fading out. 
 LRN: Well, put him back again. 
 PC: While I'm cutting a hole in the ceiling, that is. 
 
 LRH: Oh, while you re cutting a hole in the ceiling. Well, can't you 
 just say there's a hole in the ceiling and have it appear there? 
 
 PC: Uh-huh 
 
 LRH: Okay, now that was just a test. Thank you. Now, just hold on to 
 the cans there.
 
 Ah.. trying to find degree of agreement with the physical universe. 
 We tried a little man. Mocked up a little man all right; but jump in the air 
 and go through a solid object? Uh-uh.. and when we had to cut a hole out of 
 the ceiling, we had to saw the hole out. Real agreement with the physical 
 universe.
 
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 LRH: Okay. Now let s talk about in terms of creation. If you could,
 let us say that you could create things which would just appear and so forth
 and if you were doing that sort of thing would you, could you create your own
 body again? 
 
 PC: Uh-huh. 
 
 LRH: You can create your own body? Ah.. how about creating a whole 
 set of memories for yourself? 
 PC: Yeah 
 These are the four parts of the body. 
 
 LRH: Uh.. how about creating something that would control the body 
 for you? 
 The GE. 
 PC: Uh-huh. 
 
 LRH: How about creating an energy unit which would.. uh.. spark and 
 bop and take care of all of all of that, do your thinking for you? How about 
 creating that? 
 
 PC: Uh-huh. 
 
 The four component parts of the first dynamic (1) the standard memory 
 banks, (2) the.. the pardon me, first the thetan, most important, then your 
 standard memory banks, then your GE - genetic entity, and the genetic 
 entity s reactive mind. But the genetic entity's reactive mind is a series of 
 ridges we know as the body, the greater and lesser complexity of the reactive 
 mind. Well, there's the thetan. And what the thetan is using is standard 
 banks which consist of a lot of ridges, and more or less automatic stuff, and 
 a lot of stuff. And then there's your GE, and what your GE is using and 
 actually what your GE is using is a body; and the body is matter made out of 
 ridges, according to theory here. And therefore the reactive mind is the body 
 and does behave that way as we learned in the first book. And that first book 
 still works. Okay? 
 
 Now we've covered those four sections and we've gotten nothing 
 alarming on this E-meter. Good. 
 
 LRH: On the second dynamic, on the second dynamic would you create 
 exotic and esoteric scenes for your own edification and.. sensation? 
 
 PC: Sex act. 
 
 LRH: A11 right, now we've got.. remember that second dynamic s 
 composed of two parts. First part of the second dynamic is sex as an act and 
 the other part is children. Now how about little kids? Could you, would you, 
 create a little child? 
 
 PC: Uh-huh. 
 
 LRH: Uh-huh. So one half of the second dynamic is by the boards. What
 are you dropping on there? What did you think of. Hey hey, what did you think
 of? That s too personal, huh? 
 
 PC: No. 
 
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 LRH: Well, you shouldn't a done it. Is that on children? 
 PC: Uh-huh. 
 
 LRH: Tell me about children. You did something mean to a kid once, 
 didn't you? Well what did you think of? Your mother? Your mother having 
 children? 
 
 PC: Uh-uh. 
 
 LRH: What did you think of? Come on? 
 
 PC: Miscarriage. 
 
 LRH: Um? 
 
 PC: A miscarriage. 
 
 LRH: Uh-hum. Just ornery of me to make you say it. Yah, sure. Okay,
 so we got that one too. Huh? So we have ah.. children and a.. a block of some
 sort on that line. Okay? Because we get a needle reaction. That had slipped
 your mind hadn't it? 
 
 PC: The miscarriage? 
 
 LRH: Yeah. When I first asked the question, did it come into your 
 mind? When did you think of it? When I said children you didn't connect it to 
 that? 
 
 PC: No, uh-uh. 
 
 LRH: Is that what happened? And then afterwards you thought it over
 and suddenly connected the miscarriage with children? And that's why you got
 the delayed reaction on the machine. Okay.
 
 All right, now we've got that un. So I'll tell you right away, 
 creative processing addressed to the second dynamic on the creation of 
 mock-ups relating to from which he can get sexual sensations, mock-ups until 
 we can be perfectly at ease on this line. And I don't think you'll find the 
 preclear anyplace that is in good shape on that one. And she is strangely 
 enough in a little darn better shape than most preclears according to the 
 needle reaction. 
 
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