Subject: Re: Julie Mayo, did Flo Barnett get audited by you or didn't From: Julie Mayo Date: 1996/05/05 Message-Id: <4mj8jq$58a@light.lightlink.com> Sender: electra@light.lightlink.com Organization: Art Matrix - Lightlink Electra Gateway v2.4 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 4 May 1996 19:39:48 GMT, Steve Fishman wrote: >Julie Mayo writes: > >> David did not state that Flo Barnett was never audited at the Advanced >> Ability Center. He stated to you, in a private e-mail, that he had not >> audited Flo Barnett -- which was the truth. You twisted it. > >An omission is tantamount to a denial. He obviously wanted the matter to go >away and sweep it under the rug. That's my take on it. Any omission is tantamount to a denial? I hardly agree. Does that mean I can post something on ars, which someone is supposed to read without even notifying them by e-mail, and expect them to drop everything they are doing and write a long detailed report concerning everything they know about the subject? This matter has hardly been swept under the rug. I presume that since you are such an expert on it, you've looked up the court records and so forth? I thought the 9th Circuit Judges comments on it were fairly interesting, what were your thoughts when you studied the record? > >> I've always been open and honest about this and what I have told you is >> certainly no secret. There was nothing I posted that wasn't common >> knowledge way back at the time of the incident. > >>>What I did not know until now is that Camille, (Michele Miscavige's sister) had >>>lied about her suicide. That was one of the missing pieces of the puzzle. > >>You are twisting what I said. I have no reason to believe that Camille >>lied nor would I say that. I don't believe Maude asked her the cause of >>the hemorrhage. It was well known that Flo had an aneurism followed by an >>unsuccessful operation that left her partially paralysed and with memory >>loss, several months before. Camille was, understandably, grieved over >>the situation. > >Well, she sure didn't tell you the truth, now did she, according to your >statement? Actually, I never spoke to Camille about the subject, but apparently she hadn't told the whole story to Maude. > >And I wonder what David Miscavige thought about his sister-in-law hanging >around the "Mayo Clinic?" I'm surprised Camille is still alive, and not >a suicide victim like her mother. >>I found Camille to be a very caring individual and I am horrified that >>you are twisting what I wrote. I find it to be A) insensitive B) >>hurtful C) totally out of line. > >If she was such a caring individual, then why did she withhold information >from YOU, her mother's auditor? I smell a rat here, Julie. > >>>If you know what the RTC representatives visited Flo about, could you >>>post it? > >>>Also, you stated that in your opinion, "the reason why Flo Barnett died >>>wasn't to do with NOTs." And yet Flo Barnett believed that auditing would >>>make her better and she was getting worse. Don't you think this dilemma >>>contributed to her depression? > >>No. I don't believe that Flo had a dilemma over auditing. > >Joyce Stephenson certainly told me that Flo believed in the auditing with all her >heart, and that it would make her better. And it didn't make her better. So I >call that a pretty SERIOUS dilemma, wouldn't you agree? I recall the few sessions I gave her after her operation as having cheered her up. She had had an aneurysm operation, which had left her partially paralyzed and with impaired memory which were intolerable to her. >>>Also, you said at the end of your post (sorry my Netcom browser can't >>>fit it in), "There may have been additional factors" (surrounding her death). Do you >>>believe she was murdered or committed suicide? You were her friend. What do you >>>believe happened? > >>I have no other first hand knowledge. I will post a declaration made by >>Joyce Stephenson while events were fresh in her mind. > >I hope you keep your word and do that. I always try my best. >>>If she was depressed and she was heavily reliant upon the belief that >>>auditing would make her better, don't you feel that her dependancy upon auditing might >>>have been a contributing factor to her death? Particularly, and I'm sorry this is a >>>difficult question for you because you are in the business of creating phobias, >>>don't you think that Flo Barnett's terror that she was being eaten up alive by Body >>>Thetans did her in and contributed to her depression which in turn led to her suicide? > >>A) I have no knowledge that she was dependent on auditing > >Bullshit! Auditng per se creates a dependancy on auditing. Stop lying like the >Scientologists! Boy, aren't you the expert! >>B) I am not in the business of creating phobias > >If you audit out Body Thetans you sure as hell are! More lies >from the Queen of the Squirrels. You are pretty quick to accuse people of lying. >>C) Flo Barnett wasn't concerned about body thetans in my >>association with her. > >More lies. She was on OT V. What did you talk about during >auditing? The weather? Her puny stupid son in law? Confidences given to me in session are privileged information. >>D) You have now twisted what I, and my husband, have said and accused >>two people of lying when they had not, so I do not wish to >>pursue this, or any other matter, with you. > >Great way to avoid issues. I knew it would come to this. You are a >coward, and your Advanced (Dis)Ability Center is a fraud. I think you are the first person in my entire life who has accused me of being a coward. And you've never even met me! And, I might add, you've never been to the Advanced Ability Center, which was closed in April of 1986. >I have accused YOU of lying because > >A. You know auditing creates a dependency on auditing Thankyou, Professor Fishman. >B. Auditing NOTs is by definition the creation of phobias By definition? >C. Flo Barnett was on OT V and had to have been concerned > that body thetans were making her sick as Joyce told me > she was extremely concerned about Really now? Joyce really told you Flo was on OT V? I find that very hard to believe, especially since Flo did NEW OT V (NOTs) on Flag, years before she came to the AAC. >D. Camille's withhold to you is just simply fine in your > estimation. You are lying. It was not fine when you > found out about it months later now, was it? >Let a.r.s. judge who is the liar. We have a great many >analytical minds who can sort out this very reactive debate. Great. I'm all for analytical minds. >I leave it in the hands of the capable, not manipulative >paranoia-inducers like you and your husband. H'mm. First time anyone ever accused me of that, too. >The rest of the group may worship the ground you walk on, but >I do not forgive people or groups that make others crazy and >dependent just because they won a victory over Scientology. I hope you have a victory in your litigation, too. >As Koos once said to me, "The enemies of your enemies are not >necessarily your friends." > >And do produce that declaration of Joyce Stephenson --- or >were you lying about that also.... > >>I regret having to be so blunt but as I said earlier, a woman DIED and >>it is still very much an unsolved mystery.... > >Funny, I don't regret being blunt anymore. Glad you are over it. >By your lies, you apparently deserved it. My gut instincts >were right. Do you ingest BTs? >--- Steve Fishman Julie Mayo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMY0ks6UzTdUDYOWNAQHfUQQAsCBoa1XqeIwXh2jVT0ry6emoym1ZXoko jPIsD0bnNQ831c78woni4w9VhhnZOWxJP2olvLl6YnmGF7r/RT4bXbxbOmFuv433 p4sXR7PdSQpxErggbZhmoleRlulKud2Y0uP/T7KaelI28BZV43W2EkOuRcx0huVP HM6bnh2NrFk= =KaTd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----