Subject: Re: Quit picking on Fishman From: David Mayo Date: 1996/05/12 Message-Id: <4n541m$d0g@light.lightlink.com> Sender: electra@light.lightlink.com Organization: Art Matrix - Lightlink Electra Gateway v2.4 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 09 May 1996 10:01:09 -0800, cat@brc.ubc.ca (Cat Davidson-Hall) wrote: >In article <4msk2p$me6@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, >av282@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Martin G. V. Hunt) wrote: > >> Oh, helping people to do better is a grand idea; I always like >> to help people to post better, contribute more, clarify ideas >> and positions...but tearing people down. What will it accomplish? > Good question, dwell on it about one split second longer. >Agreed totally. It seems to me that the clams have been low-profile for a >while, so we've start snarling at each other, maybe to satiate a need to >criticize something, maybe not. I suspect they're watching us, though, >and I wouldn't be surprised if they were pretty thrilled about the recent >flamewars. It seems to me that the sequence was: 0) clams and critics attacking each other 1) critic attacks critics 2) clams clam up 3) clams lap up false material for new foundation-less but "not-filed-in-bad-faith" litigation and "proof that ars is a hate group" 4) a few voices of reason speak 5) clam(s) start(s) attacking again. No matter how much you dislike the above, 1) preceded 2). > >Can we all just direct our attention to the real enemy, here? Here, I submit, lies the basis of the problem. What is the real "enemy"? (quoted to emphasize that it is not my choice of word) If you think "the enemy is Scientology(tm)", that incorrect assumption will ultimately lead to the same behaviours that you are seeking to change in Scientology(tm). The correct target is the unacceptable conduct (by which I mean that conduct which adversely impinges on the rights of others); not the class. (Then even ars might not become a cult.) > >Cat >SP4, KoX "SP4" sounds like, Cool, Cat. Way Cool. I've been declared SP by: Scientology(tm), by the FreeZone (a few years ago but it still counts in my book), by the "Independants", by Zegel, by the Avatars, by the Dianasisists(?), by the Metapsychologists, by Koos, UN-declared by Koos (not sure which counts for the most points), by certain others I won't name unless my feathers are ruffled. Now I'm shooting for an "ars SP declare" --how'd I do? > > >-- >"I wanted to know the exact dimensions of hell. Does this sound > simple? Fuck you." - Sonic Youth > >"One day he's going to kill me, and he'll get away with it because > he's O.J." - Nicole Brown > Oh --I love both those .sigs, they have a whole new meaning. David Mayo (ars-Kickin' Kiwi in "slacK = OFF" mode) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMZYOuOmCyCdNXuVZAQGNRgP+IFkpAkHjF0ktbqh/SIh10j3Os5tOcU2U JRudplE82FP/xbZTppmrCK81F298AHp0qHikHt0WJO+F2AIopDH1OE5aa/6rRyvN fRszdtO5oefbbVRXO9FMkNqMKa6DtumyckBRytt9oxVTwDPQiRA8LLzTsApZgT5M eByB6R4ENNw= =Pr8o -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----