Subject: Re: LaVenda Van Schaick -- are you out there? From: David Mayo Date: 1996/05/16 Message-Id: <4necn1$q5p@light.lightlink.com> Sender: electra@light.lightlink.com Organization: Art Matrix - Lightlink Electra Gateway v2.4 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 15 May 1996 21:00:37 GMT, referen@neont.com (Diane Richardson) wrote: >David Mayo wrote: > >>On Mon, 13 May 1996 21:39:19 +0100, Sherilyn >> wrote: > >>>Evidence is slowly mounting up. Be patient. >>> >>>In article <4n6sm4$p4r@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, "Martin G. V. Hunt" >>> writes >>>> >>[...] >>> >>>>I would rather believe Steve and his book; if you can find any factual >>>>errors in it, please let us know. >>> >>>I believe the Mayos have pointed out one or two descriptions of people >>>and details of location and organization that don't match up well with >>>their own recollections. How significant this is I cannot say. > >> Was just details ... Excuse my irony. I said "Was just details ... " to emphasize the point that the descriptions in the book do not match the facts. Maybe I was being too cryptic. > >Confirmed in large part by Dennis Erlich. > >>> >>>Now, despite the lack of solid evidence, I have received a number of >>>emails from people who really should know, indicating that Steven could > >>Really, really, really, should know? But they don't come out and say so. > >>>_only_ have been in the cult at the time he says he was. He knows too >>>well what happened for it to be a fake. And I have the word of people > >>Did Fishman say that Lyman Spurlock raped or was involved in the rape? I >>missed that part of this thread. > >It wasn't in the thread, David. It's in the "Romancing Lavenda" >chapter of _Lonesome Squirrel_. Fishman claims that Lyman Spurlock >was the member of the "op" who actually committed the rape. I just wanted to be sure that Fishman had said that Lyman had committed rape. I knew Lyman Spurlock from late 1978 thru 1982. For most (but not all) of that period we were in the same location (La Quinta and Gilman Hot Springs, CA). I got to know him pretty well. In my opinion, it is not in his character to rape. In this world, anything is possible but the probability of him raping anyone is about zero. He worked in Qual SU as an auditor, until he went into ASI handling the legal-corporate "sort out" matters for Hubbard, Miscavige and Starkey in 1982. He told me on one occasion in the middle of 1982, a month or so before I got busted, that he was being required to commit corporate and financial acts that could land him jail. He came to my office one day to talk to me because he said that he was in a position where he either had to refuse to comply with LRH orders (one of the biggest "no-no"s there is at that level or the organization) which would get him declared and kicked out of Scientology(tm) or he would one day end up in jail for white collar crimes. I urged him not to do those actions. I believe that he was not able to stand up to Hubbard or Starkey or Miscavige. I do not believe he was capable of rape or any other violent crime. He was very definitely never in the G.O. and he did not work in Clearwater. Furthermore, he was always overweight and never thin. The only other part of this story that I have read on a.r.s was that the purpose of the "op" was to recover Hubbard's O/W writeups and that these writeups had been written up by Hubbard in 1947 and 1954. I have never heard of any Hubbard O/W writeups. I am not sure when "O/Ws" as a subject were first mentioned in Scientology(tm) --I have no references currently but it would be easy for anyone who did to check-- but it was not until sometime in the 1970s that anyone did O/W writeups. Before that these were taken up either in auditing or in sec checking. There were some writeups that Hubbard had done and that he sent Greg Wilhere to recover from his father's house that were part of the "Armstrong documents" but to my knowledge the gist of these has been described in books. It is not impossible that there was a "Hubbard O/W writeup" but I do not think it likely. That there was a LaVenda Van Schaick, I have never had any doubt. I heard of her case in 1985 and of her settlement. As I recall a document, probably a declaration that she wrote as part of her settlement, was introduced by RTC in the litigation against me. >>>whom I greatly trust, like Ron Newman, who say that Lavenda appeared to >>>be a real person, and did not post like Steve did at the time. >>> > >>Even _I_ know she's a real person. So is Lyman Spurlock. I think he's >>probably going to get a lot more real, too. Unfortunately. > >Fishman claims that he contacted Spurlock's elderly father in a effort >to track down Spurlock's whereabouts. If this is so, I'd guess that >Steve *wants* Lyman Spurlock to get a lot more real. This action and the reason for it, I do not understand. > >>>Evidence is slowly mounting up. Be patient. > >>Rather rapidly, I'd say. > >So would I. > >Diane Richardson >referen@neont.com > > Rev. David Mayo "So many have fallen, yet so far left to go ... " (finger for key) PGP ID: 1024/4D5EE559 1996/01/04 PGP Fingerprint: 0D 69 92 87 79 2F 38 72 FE 03 CE 51 31 D5 6D E9 ***************************************************************** -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMZqwaOmCyCdNXuVZAQGYNgP/bnyTjcO195CNn5eBqyr8dCjiOZI2STyu Ljv5BFHSsRHPixey1vfWzT7kZa1PHLmKI5utjspqAZ0LoKgKA1O1rMYY2H09gGGo sbqR+l2+VbFzLuYW2y2nzFVZcuK/DHdMGPxS1UI6L3gvrgNuo/xM7AwGMvQHekkr KxveBsBlK0E= =kUoL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----