Subject: Re: Julie Mayo, did Flo Barnett get audited by you or didn't From: Julie Mayo Date: 1996/05/03 Message-Id: <4meg6t$d7m@light.lightlink.com> Sender: electra@light.lightlink.com Organization: Art Matrix - Lightlink Electra Gateway v2.4 Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 3 May 1996 01:04:12 GMT, Steve Fishman wrote: >Julie Mayo writes: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> On 23 Apr 1996 23:44:16 GMT, xenu@ix.netcom.com(STEVEN FISHMAN >> ) wrote: >> >> >Dear Julie, >> > >> >David Miscavige's mother-in-law, Flo Barnett, committed suicide or was >> >murdered eleven years ago. >> > >> >One of her best friends, Joyce Stephenson, who is also a very good >> >friend of mine, told me in no uncertain terms that she drove Flo >> >Barnett to be audited at your Advanced Ability Center in Santa Barbara >> >on four separate occasions, and you audited her. >> > >> >Your husband, David, has publicly stated on a.r.s. that Flo Barnett was >> >never audited at the Advanced Ability Center. David did not state that Flo Barnett was never audited at the Advanced Ability Center. He stated to you, in a private e-mail, that he had not audited Flo Barnett -- which was the truth. You twisted it. >> Not that I have seen or heard of. >> >> Concerning whether I audited Flo Barnett at the AAC: >> >> Joyce Stephenson was auditing Flo Barnett in 1984. There arose a >> situation which Joyce did not feel confident about handling, so she >> suggested that Flo come up to the AAC for a session. I gave her a session >> in around October of 1984, which Flo was happy with. (This was not a NOTs >> session, it was a rehab session.) >> >> The C of S then contacted Flo and she had some sec checks or auditing >> from, I believe, Karen Jentzch and then some more from a female auditor at >> AOLA. (Most, or all, of this was sec checks.) This was around January >> or February of 1985. >> >> Sometime around February or March 1985 Flo went to a doctor because she >> got a bad headache. It was discovered that she had an aneurism and she >> needed an operation. She was operated on soon thereafter. The operation >> left her partly paralyzed and with impaired memory. >> >> Flo decided that she would like to come back to the AAC and get an assist >> from me, rather than go back to a Church of Scientology auditor. She came >> up to the AAC two or three times in around April or May of 1985 and I >> gave her sessions. At no time did we do any NOTs auditing. She did not >> feel that NOTs phenomena was the problem. She had other things that were >> bothering her, which we addressed in session. I could not cure her >> physical problems, and did not represent to her in any way that I could. >> I did try to make her feel better, which she said I had. >> >> She told me that the doctor had advised her that if she did not regain >> her memory and recover from the paralysis within 6 months, that she would >> never recover. >> >> Flo was taking medication, but she was having some problems with it, >> (side effects), and it was difficult for her to make the trip up to Santa >> Barbara. I encouraged her to continue seeing the doctor and to make sure >> she was taking the correct medication. That summer Flo had problems >> because her husband, Jim, lost his job. We sent one of our ministers down >> to them to try to help with this situation in around June or July of 1985. >> >> In September of 1985, Maude Castillo, an AAC staff member, informed me >> that she had gotten a phone call from one of Flo's daughters, Camille, who >> had been living with Flo and her husband. Camille called to tell us that >> Flo had died "from a brain hemorrhage" but that Camille wanted us to know >> how much Flo had appreciated the love and care that the AAC had extended >> to Flo. We were also informed that Flo had left a note but we never >> received it. (This was 6 months after Flo's operation.) Camille did not >> tell us that it had been a suicide and we had not received any word that >> she had been suicidal, or that she had been depressed. We had not been in >> touch with Flo for quite some time, although I heard later that she had >> been being visited by C of S/RTC representatives in August. > >Thank you, Julie, for being open and honest about this. What you have written I've always been open and honest about this and what I have told you is certainly no secret. There was nothing I posted that wasn't common knowledge way back at the time of the incident. >is consistent with what Joyce told me, and I believe you. What I did not know until >now is that Camille, (Michele Miscavige's sister) had lied about her suicide. That >was one of the missing pieces of the puzzle. You are twisting what I said. I have no reason to believe that Camille lied nor would I say that. I don't believe Maude asked her the cause of the hemorrhage. It was well known that Flo had an aneurism followed by an unsuccessful operation that left her partially paralysed and with memory loss, several months before. Camille was, understandably, grieved over the situation. I found Camille to be a very caring individual and I am horrified that you are twisting what I wrote. I find it to be A) insensitive B) hurtful C) totally out of line. >If you know what the RTC representatives visited Flo about, could you post it? > >Also, you stated that in your opinion, "the reason why Flo Barnett died wasn't to do >with NOTs." And yet Flo Barnett believed that auditing would make her better and she >was getting worse. Don't you think this dilemma contributed to her depression? No. I don't believe that Flo had a dilemma over auditing. >Also, you said at the end of your post (sorry my Netcom browser can't fit it in), "There >may have been additional factors" (surrounding her death). Do you believe she was >murdered or committed suicide? You were her friend. What do you believe happened? I have no other first hand knowledge. I will post a declaration made by Joyce Stephenson while events were fresh in her mind. >If she was depressed and she was heavily reliant upon the belief that auditing would >make her better, don't you feel that her dependancy upon auditing might have been a >contributing factor to her death? Particularly, and I'm sorry this is a difficult >question for you because you are in the business of creating phobias, don't you think >that Flo Barnett's terror that she was being eaten up alive by Body Thetans did her in >and contributed to her depression which in turn led to her suicide? A) I have no knowledge that she was dependent on auditing B) I am not in the business of creating phobias C) Flo Barnett wasn't concerned about body thetans in my association with her D) You have now twisted what I, and my husband, have said and accused two people of lying when they had not, so I do not wish to pursue this, or any other matter, with you. >I regret having to be so blunt but as I said earlier, a woman DIED and it is still very >much an unsolved mystery.... > >With Best Wishes, > > > >Steve Fishman Julie Mayo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMYrA86UzTdUDYOWNAQFSXwQAiD2U1QICN01xVb33UOBb5lXdjCuv3KdE SPDVLbi3GugTADkN03Q6jrPOtuD9NVw9NYVXl5dsfOmmoZUjeuCczEdXYk3FLPsR MNo/YOTE84KOqQ51wyDpLRdyX5a8RWMPNQVwYzN09EmMVnswxa6ii3M+gmsIKwcy IK+H+ZRm1dk= =x7Ts -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----