Subject: SUPER SCIO ARCHIVE 62 - MID JULY 99 PILOT POSTS TO ARS/ACT Date: 14 Jul 1999 04:00:21 From: pilot@echelon.alias.net (The Pilot) Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology POST62.txt SUPER SCIO ARCHIVE 62 - MID JULY 99 PILOT POSTS TO ARS/ACT All the ones down to the Humor post went to both ARS & ACT. The remainder went to ACT only. Now that my identity is out, I am trying to post more freequently. Best, The Pilot (aka Ken Ogger) ========================================== Contents: subj : Super Scio - All Still Quiet subj : Super Scio - IMPROVED COPYRIGHT STATEMENT subj : Super Scio - About The Devil's Advocate (Attn. RDucharme) subj : Super Scio - On Reform (Attn Bernie) subj : Super Scio - Answering Roland on OT Claims subj : Super Scio - On Tapes and Clearsound Editing subj : Super Scio - A Test Of OT subj : Super Scio Tech - Answering The Squirreling God subj : Super Scio Tech - Why The Freezone Needs LRH subj : Super Scio Humor - SCIENTOLOGY HEAVEN subj : Super Scio Tech - Answering Ralph on the Tech Breakthrough subj : Super Scio Tech - To Oleg On Mocking Up Others subj : Super Scio Tech - To CBW On the Tech Breakthrough Discussion subj : Super Scio Tech - To Rogers on GPMs and Grades subj : Super Scio Tech - RESEARCH NOTES subj : Super Scio Tech - SPECULATIONS ON ADVANCED STUFF ========================================== subj : Super Scio - All Still Quiet ALL STILL QUIET Just to let you all know that everything is still quiet. Not a peep out of the orgs in my direction. Even the OSA handlers on ARS seem to be staying well away from me on the net. Is it my imagination, or have they quieted down considerably even in regards to talking to critics? I suspect that they are a bit shocked. They must have been dreaming that I was really some critic or long time freezone group leader who was running a center where they could at least point to vested interests or dead agenting material planted long ago. But I just don't fit what the policies tell them to expect. Deep down the staff know that a reform is needed. Handling with force does not work. It is the trap of the Mest universe. The more they smash critics, the more critics appear to plague them. Free and open communication is possible and if continued long enough, will dissolve all the force and hatred and upsets. But only if it is free and open. Not if it is PR and false data. For the orgs, an appropriate ammends project would be to put all the LRH tech out freely on the net. And I mean all of it. Withold nothing and have clean hands. Give Freezone Bible and Zenon and even Grady Ward certificates of merit for spreading LRH tech. They are doing more than those ultra expensive vaults to ensure that the tech in its original form remains available on Earth during the next millenium. And for those of you who believe in reform, whether freezone or reformed orthodox, please keep spreading the word, putting out fza.org stickers and reformer's pages and getting Scientologists onto the net. ARC, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - IMPROVED COPYRIGHT STATEMENT -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- IMPROVED COPYRIGHT STATEMENT On 8 Jul 99, Dave Bird responded to my post on "Super Scio - About Book Copyrights & Net Publishing (Attn Croesus)" > In article , The Pilot > writes > ># SUPER SCIO #0: INTRODUCTION AND CONTENTS > ># > ># --------------------------------------------- > ># > ># Copyright 1996 > ># > ># All commercial rights are reserved to the author, who currently > ># wishes to remain anonymous and therefore is writing under the > ># pen name of "The Pilot". Individuals may freely copy these files > ># on the internet for their own use and they may be made available > ># on any web server who does not charge for them and who does not > ># alter their contents. > Each Internet user may also print off and bind one such copy > for their own use. THESE PERMISSIONS HAVE BEEN IRREVOCABLY GIVEN. > All other rights reserved under the law in the country of copying. > [This is a published work, produced under the laws of the USA, > and therefore copyright from the moment of production]. > ># --------------------------------------------- > > > >Even if they were to gain the copyrights by some nefarious scheme, > >spreading the book around online would still remain legal. > > Say "IRREVOCABLE", or they could seize the copyright and > revoke permission for any future copies. If the copyright holder > each day "gives" anew permission for such copying, then it follows > there may be a day when they stop giving it. If he "has irrevocably > given" it, then he (whether you or a successor) can't take it back. > > What do you think of the idea of publishing a paper book -- I'm > sure not everyone in the Freezone has a computer?? > > |~/ |~/ > ~~|;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;'^';-._.-;||';-._.-;'^';||_.-;'^'0-|~~ > P | Woof Woof, Glug Glug ||____________|| 0 | P > O | Who Drowned the Judge's Dog? | . . . . . . . '----. 0 | O > O | answers on *---|_______________ @__o0 | O > L |{a href="news:alt.religion.scientology"}{/a}_____________|/_______| L > and{a href="http://www.xemu.demon.co.uk/clam/lynx/q0.html"}{/a}XemuSP4(:) Thank you Dave, I'm glad you pointed this out. Not being a lawyer, such skullduggery never even occured to me. I am PGP signing this message to guarantee it's authenticity. The public half of my PGP key (used for verification) has been attached to the Scientology Reformer's Home Page for a number of years now. I will repeat it at the end of this message. Only I hold the secret half of the key, which is necessary to sign this message as I am now doing. A copy of this will of course go into the pilot's archives at fza.org. Some people might also want to keep a copy of this and save a copy of the Reformer's Home Page along with it just in case. But I don't think that anyone will try anything now that this is done. The copyright statements for both the Super Scio and the Self Clearing Books are hereby ammended to include the following: ================================================================ Each Internet user may also print off and bind one such copy for their own use. THESE PERMISSIONS HAVE BEEN IRREVOCABLY GIVEN. All other rights reserved under the law in the country of copying. [This is a published work, produced under the laws of the USA, and therefore copyright from the moment of production]. ================================================================ Kenneth A. Ogger, aka The Pilot, July 11, 1999 - ------------------- MY PGP KEY This is at the bottom of the Scientology Reformer's homepage. This was generated with a DOS version of PGP 2.62ui which maintains 2.3 compatibility. 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RDucharme) ABOUT THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE (Attn RDucharme) On 6 Jul 99, VoltR@ctinet.net (RDucharme) posted on topic "Movie recommendation of the week" > Just saw a movie on tv at a friend's house called "The Devil's > Advocate" starring Al Pacino. > > A bizarre cosmic movie that's guaranteed to key people in to the R-6. I > highly recommend it. > > Al Pacino's character reminded me of Homer. > > Robert Yes, I really enjoyed it. It has been on cable TV for some time now. But he is definitely not reminicient of Homer. In fact, there is a certain wonderfully evil grin that Pacino uses in this movie, it is perfect for the part. It exactly matches David Miscaviage's expression when he was talking at the Universal Amphitheatre. I kid you not. I think the footage was at the end of the A & E special although I might be misremembering where I saw it, but it was there. It actually shocked me because of the similarity. A truely fun loving wicked grin, really better suited to Loki rather than Satan. He fucked people over and he had fun doing it and he is proud of it. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - On Reform (Attn Bernie) ON REFORM (Attn Bernie) On 9 Jul 99, welcome@bernie.us-inc.com (Bern - http://welcome.to/ars) replied to my post on "Super Scio - IF THEY HAD ANY SENSE" > On 7 Jul 1999 04:00:30 pilot@echelon.alias.net (The Pilot) wrote: > > >IF THEY HAD ANY SENSE > > >CofS cannot survive unless they confront the Xemu story being > >public knowledge. > > > >It is just one incident. The critics have no trouble using it > >to push CofS's buttons. Nobody gets sick. It is not a big > >deal unless they hide from it and make it into a big deal. > > Yeah, I agree. To try to hide and protect it at this stage is no very > realist, to say the least. Yes. Tech wise, it actually was significantly reduced in importance as other handlings came out, but the secrecy and the PR gives it shock value. It has to be downplayed in importance instead of selling levels based on finding out the super secrets. And it was always an overt to sell the tech that way. We did great delivering grades processes even though they were not secret and confidential. People love them. The whole bridge has to be that way. If they take a tip from me and use LRH's statement about the grades harmonicing onto the OT levels, they will deliver OT grades after the OT levels and make fantastic gains by running grades processes on the early whole track. And that would knock this OT 3 business into the position of being a minor restimulative factor that has to be gotten out of the way, and people will stop making such a big deal out of it and get on with processing the PC. And that lets them handle Xemu pickets by laughing it off as only one incident out of a whole track. The critics would stop bothering pretty quickly. Of course they would have to abandon confidentiality. But Ron used to say that making the tech confidential would be a terrible overt. So we can use LRH references for that. > >CofS cannot expand unless they retain the well wishes and > >support of older members who have moved beyond the limitations > >of the modern standard bridge. To attack tech lovers who have > >learned to think for themselves as squirrels and enemies is to > >cut off their own roots so that they can grow no further. > > There certainly are a lot of very bright people in the Freezone. I > don't know what's the ratio vs the official CoS now. I used to know > truly wonderful people in the CoS and I am not sure many are still in. > Again, I agree with you that to alienate those who are truly capable > and make them their enemies rather than their allies isn't the best > move. Exactly. > >And to shoot at every critical remark is just asking for > >trouble. > > There should be a balance in dealing with criticism. While one should > be open to it, especially to genuine criticism, there is also a point > where it doesn't bring anything new or useful or simply is found to > have no real ground, and is then best simply being ignored. If there > is any value at all in what one does, then it will go on despite > attacks (and sometimes even thanks to attacks). If there isn't, then > it is better left to fade away anyway. There is constructive criticism, which can be of great value. But it needs to be delivered with care not to invalidate. Most criticism is not constructive, but is an ARC break reaction to what you are doing. If you pee on somebody's doorstep, they will be quite critical of it, and it is not because you have missed their witholds. You handle this by behaving better and handling the ARC break. The idea of ARC Breaks and natter coming from missed witholds is from early in the briefing course and the idea that ARC breaks come from bypassed charge is later. Once we had BPC assessments, we should have revised our theories in this area. Missed witholds is only one out of dozens of reasons for BPC listed on the L1C ARC break assessment. My experience in talking on ARS is that most of the criticism disappears when you talk honestly and behave well. That leaves a small, and I do mean small, amount of criticism that is coming from bad intentions. The best handling is often to ignore it. The reason could be missed witholds or vested interests or they have you confused with an old enemy. But you're not auditing them, so the hell with it, leave them be. If you start fighting with them, you give them more justification for being critical. > >Nothing to say of making "Scientolgist" a trademark so that > >they can stop people from calling themselves Scientologists > >and sueing people for spreading around the tech. Do these > >guys want to expand or do they want to bury the whole subject > >in a hole in the ground? > > Here is where I may depart. The tech in the freezone does tend to > drift away, sometimes into something that barely resembles to the tech > at all. I have seen it again and again - not commenting on whether > this is a good thing or not. But then, how do you ensure that there is > something that represents the tech, and that stays the tech and that > stays something that can actually be called Scientology? I don't see > much way around on that one, and it certainly is one of the weakest > point of the freezone and one of the reasons why many Scientologists > may not wish to leave the CoS. How would you ensure that consistency > without trademark? If anyone can call what he does Scientology, then > it won't be long before the whole thing disappears into endless > variations. Early Scientology is the science of how to pull together endless variations onto a broad organizing platform consisting of things like the axioms. The real problem is that since 1965, the CofS has been forcing people off of that broad base and making them drift away. You would keep Scientology in place by making all the LRH works broadly and easily available to everyone without alter-is. CofS is actually violating that. If you use the early definitions from 1952-4, all these supposed splinter groups ARE Scientology, perhaps more so than standard tech. They should be calling themselves specific implementations of Scientology and staying aligned with the common base so that there is easy interchange of ideas between the various implentations, and easy motion of people between the various groups. According to the early ACCs, any auditor worth his salt is supposed to be inventing things like Trom and Avatar and UCP. What is wrong is that these people are forced to become something else and made so disgusted with the orthodox organization that they want to be something else and that common unifying base is lost. And the later sick dramatization of having the one and only right way and having all the answers even though nobody is making full OTs gets copied by the various splinter group gurus. They get overwhelmed by this crap while they are on lines and the only way they can break away from it is to decide that they have the one and only answer instead of the org. It is a digsustingly bad habit. How about having some damn good answers and working in a direction towards OT and realizing that there are many ways to bridge a river. > >If the guy from Xenu TV had been faced with smiling faces > >waving for the camera and enjoying the publicity he would > >have left. And if he didn't, they would have gotten some > >free publicity on the web about their nice event. Instead > >they turned it into a pissing contest. > > Yes and no. My opinion is that the silliness is really on both sides > there. You could also say that if critics were more tactful and > respectful towards scienos, they would be more successful in getting > them to listen to them. The critics would do better with sensible communication. However, there is the problem that the org works hard to keep the comm lines closed down. So the critics see that sensible comm isn't getting through and, not being trained in TR3, they handle it by tossing a Miscavige doll on the barbie. Frankly, considering how many years I've been repeating some very sensible comm out here on the net, I'm wondering if the org's comm lag can be flattened in any reasonable time. > >If they had any damn sense at all they'd be listening to > >me. > > :-) > > >You can't survive by shooting at everything that moves and > >resisting all change. > > I don't know if there is any alternative for the CoS. It may very well > be that if they were to allow changes, reform and questioning, it > would soon dissolve just like the old Soviet Union did. The Soviet Union didn't dissolve because of allowing changes, reform, and questioning. It was not a viable system. If it had incorporated more change, reform, and questioning early on, it might have adjusted itself instead of collapsing. > LRH approach is simply non-compatible with democratic principles, > or is it? Apples and oranges. Are Edison's light bulbs compatible with democratic principles? Who cares? > I am afraid the CoS will continue being the CoS, and the freezone will > continue to be the freezone, and critics will continue to be critics, > and maybe it's just best that way and everybody can find whatever he > needs at the stage he is at. CofS cannot survive in it's present form. Currently, it must expand and it must not change. When it fails to expand, the members go on witch hunts and toss their fellows into the RPF. If it resists all change and remains inflexible, the odds are that it will break. With the endless growing implacts from the critics, it will probably break within a few years. The other fainter possiblity is that it will manage to expand. In that case, the odds are that they will lose more and more tech (they have already discarded a great deal and they deliver very little processing all things considered) and concentrate on control technology like ethics and sec checks instead of real processing. In this case, we can expect a fanatical world dominating religion that only practices ritual assignment of ethics conditions a few hundred years down the line. But I don't think that they will manage to pull this off. Freezone will evolve one way or another. The use of tech demands it. How it will evolve is hard to say. If the common base is lost because of fanatics that practice ritual sueing, the pieces will separate further. And I don't think that we will make real OT unless there is intense interchange and feedback between many tech finders. The critics will either win or lose or possibly become freezoners or maybe even loose interest. It is not a position that one can hold indefinitely. About the only thing you could say for sure is that they will never become orthodox Scientologists. The current situation is very unstable. It will not last indefinitely. > You certainly should not desist from > doing what you do if that's the vision you have for it. It has its > usefulness too, but I for one don't really see how a reform could be > accomplished giving the framework LRH build his system in. There is a precedent. There was a mild reform in 1970. There are a lot of LRH quotes which are in favor of it. My favorite is "Someday the cry will be auditors of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your certs." He predicted that there would be a time when reform was needed. And there is nothing that says that policy takes precedent over tech. Instead there is Ron's statement that "policy is a guiding thing", and other similar references which indicate that it is less than tech. That means that older 1950s tech references should take precedence over later policies. And since the tech says that confidentiality is bad, and it is only an HCO policy letter which says to make things confidential, the policy is discarded as being out tech. In other words, policy could be tossed wherever it is in conflict with the technical basics. And my whole argument all along has been against policies which violate the tech. The single agreement that the tech is senior to policy would pretty much justify the reforms I've been asking for as being in accordance with LRH's instructions. If they just put grade 0 in on the organization itself, encouraging free and open communication and cancelling all policies that were in conflict with that (issue authority, disconnection, confidentiality, net nannies etc.), it would be like night and day. That one alone would cause them to issue Zenon a certificate of merit for spreading the tech instead of trying to nail his ass with lawsuits. And frankly, I think that most of the Scn tech people already feel that the tech is senior. > All I can > say is that if I was the CoS, I would try to put in good use what you > have to offer, but then, I am not the CoS nor do I want it to be. By > all means, it will be interesting to see how they will react now. > > Bernie > http://welcome.to/ars I hope I didn't grandstand too much. I do tend to get carried away on these issues. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - Answering Roland on OT Claims ANSWERING ROLAND ON OT CLAIMS On 1 Jul, 99, Roland asked on subject "Qs for The Pilot" > I have been reading some of your posts. Sorry you got outed like you > did. Women are inherently untrustworthy, as I'm sure you know. > > I have a few questions concerning your quite considerable time and > exposure in Scientology and would be grateful for your answers. You picked a bad time to be asking these, I was quite distracted. And I have answered these before. In fact, these were even discussed in the Super Scio book which was my first posting. But I've liked some of the things you've written and you said something nice to me early on when I needed a lift, so I'll give it a try. > 1) OT Powers. Did you ever come across clear cases of OT powers being > unleashed through Scientology auditing or techniques? Yes. But woefully sporatic, never repeatable. It's hopeless to try and prove anything on this at our current stage of knowledge. I have done things in front of witnesses. I know others who have. I have never heard of anybody who could do something twice in a row or perform on command. And on people who do witness these things, sometimes they think that they dreamt it and become very puzzeled about how it is that you remember something that they dreamed when you ask them about it later. I'm not bullshitting you here. I'm saying that we are wacking around in the dark and once in a rare while we hit something and then can't hit it again. > 2) Did you ever come across clear detailed evidence of a past life whose > details were checked out and verified - again, in detail? I wrote up two stories of my own in detail in the Super Scio book. One from the American Cival War and the other from Constantinople. In both cases, I found things in the history books that proved to me that I was remembering. But of course I could have read the books first, and so it only proves it to me and not to anybody else. And the past life recalls, at best, are like remembering going to kindergarten. Don't ask me what my teacher's name was. But I might be able to find where the school was, and I really did go. So testing is no good either, not on the vague half-assed recalls which we get. They are as much imagination as reality, half right at best. But if you yourself were to work at it, just using the processes in self clearing chapter 6, and kept at it, and tried to find things, you would eventually hit something which you knew was false and yet remembered for sure. And then you would spent months digging through obscure history books (because it would have to be obscure or else you might have gotten it from TV) and validate the recall. And then you would know for yourself even though it would be unprovable that you had not cheated and read the books first. > 3) I am sure you have heard some of Hubbard's claims such as going to > Venus and nearly being run over by a freight locomotive > http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Venusloc.ram , his claims about life on > Mars http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Mars.ram and Venus > http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Venusian.ram , that the Earth may be a > prison planet http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Prison.ram and that he had > adventures that started off in the Van Allen Belt > http://www.xs4all.nl/~xemu/rams/Vanallen.ram . Assuming you knew about > these things at one stage, did you perhaps wonder that Hubbard could be > mad? Do you think, in retrospect, that he might have been mad? No. These are all out of body experiences on Hubbard's part. Lots of oddball stuff comes up when people try that in any of the metaphysical practices. The Tibetan's knew there was a contient in the West which was the land of the "cattle eaters" (well before the discovery of the New World) and yet their maps of the Earth are laughably inaccurate. I expect half right things to show up. I trust none of it, but I appreciate somebody attempting to describe what they percieved even though it might be held up to ridicule. I consider things such as aliens and prison planets to be a distinct possibility but I do not consider them to be proven. I keep an open mind on these things. It is not a problem as long as you consider these things to be an explorer's journals. It is only a problem if fanatics begin worshipping these things as absolute truths. > 4) When you were exposed to OT III and the story of Xenu, did you > believe it at the time? Do you believe it now? I believed and still believe that it is an account of an incident that Ron recalled, and that he wrote it down as accurately as he could. In other words, I do not believe that it is something that he made up intentionally as a scam. I have a sort of recall of the Xemu incident, but it seems to me to be a minor incident of no great improtance and there are many others like it, and it could easily be as far off base as my vauge recollections of kindergarten. I've written about this before. At least some of Ron's details would seem to be wrong, but as I said earlier, I consider these things to be an explorer's journal rather than absolute. Certainly in the HCL tapes and History of Man, Ron indicates that there are many "Joiner" incidents on the track and that the one on Earth is the most recent, therefore it is late on the chain. It is very hard to run incidents when there are many earlier similar ones and the amount of dub-in is generally much greater when you do that. So it was a poor choice for use as the cornerstone of an entity handling OT level. > Thanks, > Roland What I really think is that Scientology is a search for truth and it is still on a research line. Imagine that you are one of the old alchemists. You do not have the periodic table. You do not have any of the modern tools or knowledge. And yet you are light years beyond the people around you who have no concept whatsoever of chemical processes, and who furthermore wish to burn you as a witch. You cannot prove anything because everything is sporatic and only half way workable. Crucial discoveries have yet to be made. And yet you cannot abandon the work because without it, a real chemistry will never be developed. Do you think that its all just clockwork? Nothing more than brain synapses triggering to stimuli? I think therefore I am deluded into beliving that I have free will? What we need are scientific efforts aimed at finding out what is workable in this field. Instead of trying to push the alchemists back into being superstitious primatives, give them a kick in the ass towards evolving into chemists. That is what we really need. I for one am tired of living in a cave without electric lights or power tools. I am sorry that you got hit with bullshit PR and fanaticism from the CofS. It was wrong. But that does not mean that the entire subject is bullshit. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - On Tapes and Clearsound Editing ON TAPES AND CLEARSOUND EDITING (Attn. Homer) This is from an ongoing discussion earlier this month, the original topic was "Strange ending on SHSBC tape (fwd)" > On 2 Jul 1999 20:04:55 -0400, in alt.clearing.technology Homer > Wilson Smith wrote: > > > Ralph Hilton (ralph@hilton.org) wrote: > > > > > Can you give examples? I'm farly certain that all academy > > > lectures were before a live audience. > > > > Not without going back and relistening to all my Academy Level > > Tapes. I was quite surprised and a bit dismayed when I realized that > > some if not many of the tapes were prerecorded in private studio and > > then canned to look like a live audience was there. > > > > I don't know, maybe I am misduplicating what I found on the tape, > > it *WAS* a private lecture, not to an audience. > > > > Please give one example. > > Your perceptions don't match mine. > > Ralph Hilton > http://Ralph.Hilton.org > Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org On 3 Jul, lr1467@aol.com (LR1467) continued the discussion with - # Hi Homer # # Most (ALL?) of the academy lectures are BC tapes, which were given # to live audiences. CoS may have tacked on some louder sounding # applauses on some, some in their original versions that were # gathered up and copied by the Flag project may have had disintegrated # ends (so I heard from Ken Delderfield) and depending on whether # they were rewound when being stored would affect either the # begiinning or the end of the tapes. Some tapes ran out midsentence, # were chopped at the end of the last full sentence, and applause # added on. Maybe you are thinking of the demo tapes, auditing # sessions given in a lil booth or something? In the TRO lecture # for instance, LRH is talking to the group, the guys doin TRs are # in a booth, the coach has earphones that LRH can talk to him # thru - something like that could have sounded "canned." # # LR LR's comments are good, except that the BC tapes were better cared for and went into immediate production, so that they would not generally have the deterioration problems that are associated with the older tapes. In those days the orgs were recieving complete copies of all BC tapes, even those later considered to be confidential. And this is especially true of the academy level tapes. So there were many copies available even if the masters were not well cared for, and I think that by that point, they were treating the masters like gold. There are only a few non SHSBC lectures in the academy series. The tapes on each level has varied a bit over the years and there have been a couple of different versions of the academy tapes, but offhand, I think that the only non BC tapes that show up in these are a few of the Freedom Congress lectures about CCHs which are sometimes on level 1. Those were given infront of a huge audience in the late 1950s (it was a congress). Although it was common for Ron to go off the end of the recording in the early days, they were much more professional by the St. Hill era so I think that there are only a couple, if any, where the ending wasn't recorded. As for the TV Demo sessions, these did have their own special setup, but the academy tapes don't contain any demo sessions. Those were always packaged separately. Right now I think that the Pro TRs tapes is the set that has a bunch of BC TV Demos. So I'm pretty sure that we are talking about regular BC lectures here, recorded and stored with more care than was done with earlier lectures. All of them were done in front of a live audience. In most or all cases there is a bit of dialogue between Ron and the crowd at the beginning of the lectures. By 1966, there were so many people at St. Hill that the course room was packed and a live TV feed was done for those who couldn't fit inside (I think this was on the patio?). The problem here is not that these were done in a studio or that the beginnings are lost. The problem is ISSUE AUTHORITY and CLEARSOUND EDITING. In the majority of cases, they needed to chop material from the front of the tape. Ron would name students, announce goals found on pcs, talk about photography or say other things that the editors want to suppress. A great one is in the level 1 tapes, where he goes on about his planned Explorer's Club expedition. And he tells the story of how he was given information at the Club about where to find sunken statues in the Mediterranian. And that expedition became Mission Into Time. You wouldn't find that story in the clearsound version, but its there on the old tapes. I guess they want people to think that he got that sunken ship location by whole track recall or something instead of being given a map. Look at the missing opening segments on the levels tapes as posted by FZBA. Homer is right, the openings of many of the clearsound BC tapes are hacked up studio jobs. But that is only true of the clearsound versions. If you have the old reels or the cassets issed before clearsound, you will see that these were all done in front of a live audience. Even if it was out PR, Ron's remarks were never hacked from the tapes in the 1970s. Ron would have put their heads on pikes if he found out. There was a different bug then, which was about confidentiality, and supposedly he threw fits when he found out that they were snipping out "confidential" stuff and even leaving entire tapes off the BC on that account. Because he did find out about the "confidentiality" cuts, the org is now dutifully putting back some missing material but at the same time they are busily cutting out other things. He would kill them if he knew. In the later days at Sea, he would sometimes give lectures to a small number of people in his office on the flagship. But those are not BC tapes, and even there, he alway had some sort of audience to talk to. It was his style to always have somebody to put his TRs in on while lecturing. Of course there are those final Ron's Journal tapes, but I think that we can all agree that those are bogus, recorded by a standin (wasn't a voice print analysis done that proves this?) He might or might not have written some of the text, but it is certainly somebody else reading it. Hope this helps, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - A Test Of OT A TEST OF OT Critics make these silly tests where they dare the CofS OTs to zap them with lightning bolts or whatever. But an ethical OT would ignore such a challange, and frankly, I would expect that any postulates to do something like that would backlack on the OT. I have a better test. Since I am an OT VII by their own standards, I will postulate that CofS behaves nicely towards me and does not engage in any attacks against me. If they do attack, you may take it as proof that they cannot make an OT. PS. This would not prove whether or not the potential for OT exists, it would simply prove that orthodox OT VII does not produce it. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Tech - Answering The Squirreling God ANSWERING THE SQUIRRELING GOD [Although this post is mostly tech oriented, I'm putting it into ARS as well as ACT because I think it would be good for OSA to read it.] On 4 Jul, "Michael Hunsaker" forwarded a message from Squirreling Gon on subject "(Fwd) Anonymous E-mail" > : Dear Michael, thank you for forwarding my letter(on self clearing > and CCRD to the pilot, this was of great help. Could you also > forward this one, as I don't know exactly how to send a save > message(I've a similar 2D sit as Ken) > > Dear Pilot, there's an old saying, not all bad things come to harm, > this might be a big moment for even bigger expansion, power and > fun! These OSA, Ethics, RTC etc. idiots have no right to judge you, > you did/do a lot for a lot of people/humanity! Just beware of real > antis, who might want to make look bad the Church if something > happens to you(sorry for this little entheta, but I'm a bit worried and > longing for your next postings) If something bad happened to me, the critics would indeed use it as ammunition. That is one of the factors protecting me right now. In fact, someone pointed out that the CofS should be protecting me because even a random accident would get blamed on them. > Infinite thanks for helping me to sort out the Clear cycle and > anwering so soon, it was Clear. 15 min of your intelligence and > this was all sorted out!!!!!!!! Congradulations. Indeed, it is easy. It is only the false data at the org which makes it hard. > I know a lot of people who are stuck on the CCRD for years( no > money for the service, total technical ignorance in the CoS to > handle the cycle, many of the high ranked terminals have actually > no clue on the subject! This is the problem. > Usually the solution is, that the PC is out ethics!) Many > people are ARCXen for that subject and off lines. What the org thinks is tech is often out-tech, and they cannot correct it because they are not allowed to think or question or re-evaluate the data in light of the basics. Perpetual out-tech becomes out-ethics. The trouble is that they think it is the pc's out-ethics instead of the org's out-ethics. And so it never corrects because they are fixing a wrong target. > Now I'm on implants, with big wins already, like: willingness to > take over my own mind, I got into a certain wonderful thilling > laziness on automaticity of my mind while being implanted. Own > postulates are the worst! Thank you, I feel like a new myself. Excellent. > Also your posting on overrun on TR O indicated a lot, it was simply > too stupid to sit 2 hours on a chair, no use, no PC would have a > comm lag of two hours. Exactly. We used to get fantastic gains on TRs, and yet it was quick, not an endurance contest. > Another gain from doing your self clearing is, that I'm now > auditing a PC(for free of course) with a big willingness to help > others. In the CoS I was always walking like on raw eggs, afraid to > make mistakes and get punished. That might happen to many > publics, otherwise, why don't they usually audit after doing their > courses? I think it's not only MU's, people are not so stupid, would > love to help their friends and families and the subject is not so > difficult, it's just the thousands of rules, that make it unbearable! Yes. Helping instead of rule following. The org is more interested in getting the rules followed rather than in getting people auditing each other. In fact even the money making and stat raising takes a back seat to pedantic rule following. > Your Self Clearing book is really fantastic to get off the fear of > using the tech on self and others. A big milestone in Clearing the > planet! Back in the HCL lectures of 1952, Ron sais that people were implanted to be afraid of doing anything with the mind to keep them from undoing the implants. Fear of using tech is just an implant dramatization, and the org is loaded with it. > I had a lot of other gains, unfortunately I had to (or better > prefered to) send my worksheets down the loo...immagine why. Some > of the wins are: tons of charge off, hope of really clearing the > planet, ethic pressure gone,tons of 1st class audting whenever I > want, no tech ignorant fucking up my case at high prices, great > feeling of freedom, higher level of forgiveness, yes even to THEM, > they are ALL spiritual beings, Jesus like feeling(at least often), > willingness to find truth and not being willing to be fooled around > or fooling myself around (reges etc.), no more propitiation to CoS, > no more withholds of nothing the whole time (as result of being made > wrong continously), more respect for others ("wogs", psychs, etc. > they're not all A=A=A), more able to see other viewpoints, more > freedom from having to be admired, more time, big fun on a lot of > proccesses, etc,etc..... We love you (BT's included, at least they > get a good treatment). Really great. I also feel that great willingness to forgive. It seems to come with really getting the charge off. Frankly, if Miscavage or whoever were to simply stop the present time creation of overts and abuses and stops, I would forgive and forget. I wouldn't even care if ammends were made as long as the current atrocities cames to an end. If it's over, it's over and the hell with the past. > All the best > Squirreling God (a ridicolous name for a ridicolous sit) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- All the best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Tech - Why The Freezone Needs LRH WHY THE FREEZONE NEEDS LRH A true science requires a huge quantity of work. It is never the product of one man. But a strong tech finder will indeed begin acting as a "source" of tech. The research gets done by individuals, not comittees. That leaves us with the problem of how to pull together unique and individual source points into a cohesive whole which might actually achieve real OT. We can't make it on individual gurus no matter how brilliant and charismatic they are. If anyone could have done that, it would have been LRH, and he failed. And his attempt to do it as an only one almost killed the research line. We should all have learned our lesson from that. I for one know that I wouldn't make it alone. And so I immitate Ron as he acted in the 1950s when he was being "the great organizer" rather than the "source" of tech (see LRH quotes on the Scientology Reformer's Homepage). Without a common base, we will have one genius makeing lightbulbs that lack a power source and another pouring concrete for a power dam that is useless to everyone, and a third stringing transmission lines to nowhere. The broadest base ever defined in this field is the original definition of Scientology. Not the abberant concept that Scientology is LRH tech or that it is some narrow standard, but the original definition which says that Scientology is the subject of "Knowing How To KNOW". Scientology was not just LRH. He did not define it that way. He said that if the Arabs find some way of sifting sand that increases knowingness and reveals truth, then it is part of Scientology. (see the History of Man lectures). In this case, the CofS is using a SQUIRREL definition of Scientology as being standard tech, and in this case I mean True Squirrel which means altering the subject so as to make it unworkable, because with this abberated definition they have destroyed the actual workability of the subject as a way to achive truth and knowledge. The old definition for Squirrel was destructive alter-is, and on that basis, the only squirrel group around is the CofS itself. There is nothing wrong with having a standard tech. What is wrong is to knock out all but a narrow subset of the tech and destroy the research line. If it works, it is Scientology by definition. That's what L. Ron Hubbard said. That doesn't mean that the CofS has to deliver it. They have their specific delivery lineup. There is nothing wrong with that either. You have a workable standard and you use it. And somebody else has a different workable standard and they use that. And yet another group has an even different workable standard and they use that. These are the practicalities of delivering a product. You can have more than one brand of car. They are built a little bit different from each other. Some have better acceleration. Some have better gas mileage. Some are build for rough terrain and some are made for the racetrack. Some people own more than one car. The manufactures don't mind if they do that. So there is room for many standards. And yet we will not make it if each of us goes drifting off in our own direction. We do need a common base. Ron's work in the 1950s is the best starting point that this planet has ever seen. Modern CofS standard tech could be though of as one of many possible lines that evolved off of that platform. Things like Avatar and Trom are just as well aligned with that early base as standard tech. They are definitely Scientology per LRH's definition in the 1950s. And so we need LRH for that broad vision and the foundations that we are building on. Unfortunately, it has been CofS's effort to blow people away from LRH, attacking anyone who could think for themselves to the point where many turned their backs in disgust on the entire rotten mess. That is the real reason that freezone groups drift away from basic Scientology and early LRH. It is not that there is a natural tendency to drift away. It is that they are forced off with sixteen inch naval guns. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Humor - SCIENTOLOGY HEAVEN HUMOR: SCIENTOLOGY HEAVEN Rudy Rodds woke up in the middle of the night and looked around fearfully. A dark form carrying a scyth was drifting towards his bed. And as it approached, it began to speak in a dreadfull voice. "It is January 15, 2325 and we regret to inform you that you died in your sleep last night. Since you are a Scientologist, we will lead you to the Scientology Heaven, in accordance with the Astral Peace Treaty of 2128." "There is no heaven, it is just an implant," said Rudy. "We can't have trash like you re-incarnating immediately. You'll wait your turn like everybody else. In the meantime you're off to whatever inanities those troublemakers have dreamed up. It's too late to change your mind now, you are part of their quota." He emphasized this by lifted the scyth menacingly. "Oh come now, I'm dead, you can't hurt me." "A moment" said the dark figure as he rummaged in his robe. Finally he pulled out a small book and studied it for a moment. "My appologies. I only started last week. The offical response for Scientologists is as follows: Even Hubbard once said that he was painfully hit by a charging horse while discarnate. So rest assured that it will go better for you if you come along peaceably, especially as I'm only taking you to your own people anyway." "Fair enough," said Rudy. With that the apparation took Rudy's hand and they began to drift upwards, passing through the building as if it were nothing more than a hologramic image and finally ascending towards the sky. Once among the clouds, they began to drift around aimlessly. "What's the matter?" asked Rudy. "It's hard to find. Hubbard didn't like pearly gates and warned explicity against Heavenly escallators. People like that make it tough on everybody else. Wait, I think I've spotted it." With that the spirit lead them onwards until they came upon a great ocean liner resting amoung the clouds. The ship was covered with barnacles and a great dirty grey rag was tied around its funnel. "What! This isn't heaven." "Indeed it is the clammish heaven. But it's only an entry point, like all the heavens, there is a whole sub-universe once you pass the gate. "I would like to take you in by the gangway, which at least is a proper reception for a newly departed soul." continued the grim reaper. "But I can see from the smoke stack that they are in liability again and that means that we must pass in by way of the chain locker." Soon they were weaving their down a dark crawlway below the decks. "Carefull now," said the reaper as they passed a protruding pipe. "Ouch," squeeked Rudy. "I didn't pass through it." "Of course not. This is astral substance, the same to you in your present form as the earthly matter was to you in your human body. Be carefull. You can regenerate, but it is uncomfortable, as the souls in the hells quickly learn." "Scientologists don't believe in hell," replied Rudy. "Of course not. These places are whatever you wish to call them. Your faith takes you to the place of your people and they organize it however they see fit." "But what of the atheists?" "Why they go to the atheist's heaven of course. It has things like steam locomotives and so forth. Everyone has to pass the time somehow." Finally, after crawling through dirty water and clambering over chains and other obstacles, they came to a dark hole in the bulkhead. Again the reaper grabbed Rudy's hand and pulled him forward and they tumbled down into a brightly lit reception area. "Welcome" the receptionist cried cheerfully. "Oh my, you're all covered with oil and bilgewater. I'll get you a towel." She ran off into the back, returning quickly with a Sea Org officer as well as the promised towel. "Good tidings, St. Spurtcock, I have brought you a new sheep for your flock," said the reaper. "Foul suppressive, we declared you last week," replied the officer. Then he turned to the receptionist and yelled "HCO bring order!" She responded by looking around timidly, as if to determine who he was talking to. "Now, now, no need for trouble. Simply sign my delivery chit and I'll be on my way. After all, if I did not bring the souls, your stats will be even lower and your heavenly manna will be turned to rice and beans again next week." "Humph," grunted Spurtcock. "All right," he said to the receptionist, "Initial his chit, and get our new man started on his heavenly routing form." "Routing Form! Sweet Jesus!" exclaimed Rudy. "Too late for that," said the reaper. "It's the the strongest faith at the moment of death. Imagine the chaos if people were allowed to change their minds afterwards." "Sign it and get him out of here before we all go PTS!" Spurtcock yelled to the receptionist. Trembling with fear, she initialed the reaper's invoice. With that he nodded pleasantly and floated back up through the crack in the ceiling that he and Rudy had fallen from. "Welcome my son, I am Lyingman Spurtcock, CO of the Heavenly Arrivals Org. I hope your stay with us will be a pleasant one." With that, he turned and disappeared into the back offices. That left only Rudy and the receptionist. "Your next step is the registrar," she said and motioned him into one of the offices. Once there he was introduced to the registrar, a distinguished looking gentleman who smiled warmly at Rudy. "First we will have to sign you up for your sec check." "Sec Check?" squeeked Rudy in a timid voice. "Of course. Most religions have a judgement and atonement step. You wouldn't want to carry around the overts of your last lifetime, would you? A simple ammends project will straigten you out as soon as we get all the witholds pulled. I don't suppose you have had a chance to make any money yet?" "Money? I didn't think they used money in heaven." "Maybe not in the Christian heavens, but LRH pointed out the importance of exchange. You can't expect us to give you free service. Remember, free service equals free fall." "I suppose," mumbled Ruddy. "So how do I get this money?" "Why, you work for it, just like always. I hear that there is a wonderful clipper ship being constructed for Mr. MissCabbage ..." Upon saying "MissCabbage", the registrar stood up, looked at the ceiling, and clicked his heels. Then he sat down again and resumed talking, as if there had been no interruption. "... and they need people. I'm sure you could hire on." "What if I'm not in a hurry to go to work?" asked Rudy. "We can't have downstats and DBs loafing around here. There's always the RPF." Eventually Rudy was signing the paperwork, authorizing his future salary to be transferred to his advanced payement account at the Arrivals Org. Finally the receptionist was showing him out the door into the main area of the Scientology heaven. And it was magnificent. Great palaces hung in the sky linked by arial roadways forming a circle around the Dianetic Volcano which was belching forth flames on a regular basis. He stood transfixed until the receptionist jogged his arm. "I see someone who is working on the clipper," she said. She began waving at somebody in the crowd walking by on the roadway. "Hey, Casey, over here," she cried. Soon a smart looking black man had worked his way over to them. "Ruddy, I'd like to present Casey Jones. Casey, this is Ruddy Rodds. He's raw meat and needs to be shown to the MissCabbage palace to work on the clipper." "Good to meet you. Always happy to show a new guy the ropes." Rudy felt dwarft as the big guy put his arm around his shoulder and pulled him off into the crowd. "I suppose you let them talk you into signing over all of your pay?" "Why yes, I didn't have any choice." "Sure you did," said Casey. "Always ask what you can get away with. You can keep back twenty percent." "But what could I buy with it?" asked Rudy. "Oh, the Office of LRH sells Kools and whiskey. And there's some girls who don't mind a bit of out-2D if the medium of exchange is adequate. But you'll have to stay away from those until after your sec check. Come talk to me after your ammends is done, I've got connections. "Tell you what," Jones continued, "Seeing as your new and all, I'll spring for a cab and we can get a peak into the volcano as we shoot up to the clipper." He turned his head to the sky and whistled. Rudy looked up and watched with amazement as a chariot, pulled by two flying horses, soared down and landed on the road beside them. "To MissCabbage's clipper, my man. And take the senic route." Casey said to the imposing bronze colored charioteer. "As your lordship commands," the driver said and motioned to the platform behind him. They mounted on opposite sides. "Get a tight grip" said Casey, clutching the chariot's rim. The chariot turned right, then left, and then the horses lept into the air. The chariot left the ground with a sharp crack and began spiraling towards the volcano. Higher and higher they soared, leaving the roadways and clouds far below them, and soon they were passing over the beginning slopes of the great fiery mountain. "I feel like I'm going to be sick," said Rudy, although he could not imagine how that could be so since his astral form had never ingested food since his death. "We must rise high to avoid the flames," said the charioteer. "They soar up hundreds of feet into the air. And the horses may only climb on an upwards spiral, they cannot fly straight." And then they were above the open maw, looking downwards into a deep cone. Roadways surrounded the inside, as if leading into the pit of hell, and tiny figures could be made out walking around them. Suddenly a great flame welled up, reaching almost to the wheels of the chariot. It hid the inner cone and the figures within it, but Rudy could hear their anquished cries of pain. "Who are they?" he cried. "Why the RPFers of course," said the charioteer. With that Rudy hid his head against the chariot's wall and clung tightly as they spun and shuddered their way onward to the MissCabbage palace. He was still shaken as they dismounted, but his interest perked up as Casey took out his wallet and paid the driver. "Can I see the money?" he asked. "Of course, but don't be keeping any." And then he was holding the bills. They were like standard American money except for the portraits. Snake Thompson was on the one dollar bill and Diana was on the five. Quintin graced the ten and Mary Sue held sway on the twenty. "What about LRH?" asked Rudy. "He's on the fifty." said Casey. "And the hundred?" "Oh, that's our boss MissCabbage." "Doesn't Ron object?" asked Rudy. "Oh, he isn't here." replied Casey. "What do you mean he isn't here. Isn't he god over this place?" "He kept inventing new processes and trying to change standard tech. So he was declared a squirrel. They tried to toss him into the volcano but he made a great fart that blew out the flame temporarily and propelled him outta here. Rumors are that he's boozing it up with the Vikings in Vallhalla right now, telling them all sorts of tall tales and having a grand old time." Rudy thought this over for a minute. Finally he asked, "Do they really feed everybody on beans here?" "You get to have rice too. And it's only when the stats are down." "Its only the beans I want. Lots and lots of beans." "Why man, you getting hungry?" Rudy smiled. "Let's just say that I'm gonna try doing things Ron's way." Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Tech - Answering Ralph on the Tech Breakthrough ANSWERING RALPH ON THE TECH BREAKTHROUGH On 7 Jul 99, ralph@hilton.org (Ralph Hilton) responded to my post on "Super Scio Tech - TECH BREAKTHROUGH" > On 7 Jul 1999 04:00:24, in alt.clearing.technology pilot@echelon.alias.net > (The Pilot) wrote: > > >TECH BREAKTHROUGH > > >So here it is, the unified theory: > > > >WE ARE NOW IN PT IMPLANTING EACH OTHER ON A COMPULSIVE > >BASIS BELOW OUR CONSCIOUS LEVEL OF AWARENESS. > > Didn't I say that a while back? I think Alan has said something similar too > in several ways If you said it clearly, then I missed it. But really I think that you have been skirting around the edges of it, as have I and Alan, and CBR, and even Ron. In retrospect, I can see it almost said many times. It is even there in that Level VII tape of Ron's that got posted recently. And yet he never quite says it. And I never quite said it even though I've come close many times. It's even there in Super Scio about us being cross implanted to keep each other human. And your improved OT 8 certainly walks right to the edge of this one. But the real statement has some very hard to face colloraries. Read on at your own risk. > > The entity mechanisms are how we do it. Note that this is only a how, not a why. The whole mess of plugs or machines or monitors or control entities or whatever is only a delivery mechanism. Gasolene is not why we drive to work, it is only how. If it were freely offered, we would accept it because we want to drive to work. > > The R6 type stuff is what we are implanting into each other. Continuing the analogy, this is what we are driving to work. It has nothing to do with our need or desire to get to work, it is just what we use. If it wasn't available we'd use something else, because we want to be doing this to each other. > > And the grades type stuff is the reason WHY we do it. This is the real kicker. There are implications to this that I still haven't confronted. My almost right statement in Super Scio has a flaw in it. It says that we were implanted into makeing each other human, and that is incorrect. All the implant did was to show us how to do it effectively. An implant can't really make you want anything, not really, at least not in the long run. We WANTED to drag each other into the mud. That is the scary part. And we wanted it so bad that we still can't let go even if it kills us. And yet what we are doing to each other is so horrible that it lays there totally suppressed and out of sight. > >And it is all going on in PT, which is why objectives and > >OT drills work. > > > >We are holding each other in the trap of a singular solidified > >reality and compulsive agreement. I'm not talking here about an occasional nasty postulate towards someone else, although those are what keeps feeding energy into this thing. I'm talking about a continuous data stream of implant items which each of us is telepathically projecting into all the others on at least a planetary scale, and quite possibly on a cosmic scale. > >But as we work any of the above lines we begin to shake > >things loose. > > > >And as each of us begins to come up in awareness and loosen > >our hold on others, it becomes easier for the remainder to > >go free. > > > >And of course, if you weren't doing it to others, they couldn't > >do it to you successfully. > > > >I've hardly scratched the surface of this. There is much > >more work needed here, and as you all know, I'm quite > >distracted right now. > > > >But I wanted to get the basic idea out immediately. > > > >My gut feeling is that this is the key that we needed to > >make it to real OT. > > Yes: it is the fundamental necessary to further advancement. > > -- > > Ralph Hilton > http://Ralph.Hilton.org > Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org I can't even get the scale of this thing yet. It seems to permeate everything, but that could just be becuase there is so much charge coming into view so quickly. I'm still at the stage of knocking things off of the edges and sticking my toe in. I'm writing that stuff up in a separate post. My gut feeling right now is that we did this to each other at the highest levels. That may be why I keep getting the idea of oversouls who are unconsious. That is who we were when we did this, and we put a choke hold on each other and knocked each other out on the higher levels of awareness. That puts it way before home universe. That might put it all the way back in the reality wars. But as I say, this is too charged up for me to trust my perceptions on it yet. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Tech - To Oleg On Mocking Up Others TO OLEG ON MOCKING UP OTHERS On 8 Jul 99, "Dopertchouk, Oleg" responded to my post on "Super Scio Tech - TECH BREAKTHROUGH" > The Pilot wrote: > > > So here it is, the unified theory: > > > > WE ARE NOW IN PT IMPLANTING EACH OTHER ON A COMPULSIVE > > BASIS BELOW OUR CONSCIOUS LEVEL OF AWARENESS. > > There's probably also Flow 0 - implanting ourselves below our awareness > level. It seems hard for me to focus on this one. It almost seems like it should be a sort of group mind flow 0, we as a group are implanting ourselves. > > The entity mechanisms are how we do it. > > yes. I think it was Robert Ducharme who has mentioned recently that a lot of > "entity" type phenomena is simpply someone else's attention stuck on the pc. > That should also work the other way around - i.e. when you put your > attention on people it results in pieces of yourself sticking to them, > perhaps when we put our attention on ourselves it also can cause a piece of > ourselves splitting and then sticking on ourselves (flow 0). I talked a bit about that too in Super Scio. Robert is smart and picks right up on advanced ideas and goes further with them despite the agruments he gets into with some of the other tech finders. > In your earlier post you (I believe it was you) have pointed out that ARC > breaks happen not with the person but with your mock-up of a person - i.e. > when somebody's behavior does not align with your mock-up of him/her. My > feeling is that maintaining of this mock-up is intimately related to this > implanting activity: you have the attention on the person in order to have a > stable mock-up of him and to prevent him from doing something unpredicted. > As a sidenote, possibly the Union Station (not knot something abou that > person) process works because it stops this compulsive mocking up of other > people. Yes. It was actually inspired by Ray Kemp and I was following up on some things he had said. > Again, people also have a mock-up of themselves and they do spend a lot of > attention on maintaining it and they also use it to confront things. When > something invalidates or threatens to invalidate this mockup we take it > "personally", causing ARC breaks, ser facs, communication difficulties and > other grade type phenomena. > > I would think that one way to deal with it is to mock-up yourself and other > people as various things and then change these mock-ups around. I should have followed up on the idea. The broader statement you are presenting here has vast implications. There is a vast difference between our mockups of others and the actuality of others. All those implant items in the form of "those who ..." are hitting right at pushing people into making stimulous response mockups of others which are not really the actual people. This gives me the idea of going to a crowded place and making copies of people. Then making the copy do one thing while observing that the actual person does something else. > > The R6 type stuff is what we are implanting into each other. > > > R6/GPMs deals with beingness, goals etc. You can say that it gives one the > pattern of mock ups of other people and yourself. Exactly. > > And the grades type stuff is the reason WHY we do it. > > As I said, it also works the other way - the implanting causes the grade > stuff. True, but it was said so many times in CofS and taken as an absolute that it needs to be balanced. First out grades. Then implants etc. Then ten times more out grades because of the implants. Then you can't reach the early out grades because they are burried so deeply and the implant dramatizations obscure the basics. I suspect that we only get a grade release when we happen to touch an out-rud that has a basic earlier than the implants. In other words, he has, let us say, 10 hot problems right now and 9 of them are there because of R6 (or whatever) and when they dissolve he just gets more from R6, but 1 of them is on a chain that goes earlier and so when he confronts it, he changes a postulate that is earlier than R6 (even if he doesn't look that early on the track) and there is a magical reduction in the charge on all problems because it undercuts R6. > > And it is all going on in PT, which is why objectives and > > OT drills work. > > yes. > > > But I wanted to get the basic idea out immediately. > > Great! > > > My gut feeling is that this is the key that we needed to > > make it to real OT. > Agreed. > > Oleg Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Tech - To CBW On the Tech Breakthrough Discussion TO CBW ON THE TECH BREAKTHROUGH DISCUSSION On 8 Jul 99, "C. B. Willis" responded to my post on "Super Scio Tech - TECH BREAKTHROUGH" > I agree that we are all massively implanting each other all the time, > for better or worse. Massive telepathy. But don't forget semantics and > behavior modeling. > > Mostly from expectations, how things have been according to our > experience, we assume may assume they will be that way in the present and > future, cultural conventions, open and tacit agreements. > > We dont' jus t manifest from one postulate here and there, we manifest > from our entire worldview all the time, plus karma, and serendiptious > circumstances that we had some degree of co-creation in. > > I think it's less about R6 stuff, that's something that I can frankly only > conceive of someone with a scn background coming up with. > > - CBW > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > | cbwillis@netcom.com | "The whole causes the whole, | > | | but some factors are more | > | | causative than others. | > | | - C.B. Willis 1994 | > --------------------------------------------------------------- Your description is exceptionally good. R6 is an oversimplification. Patterns of symbols might be a better way of putting it. It is more than just a picture of physical reality pushed from one person to the next. That would be too easy to tune in and out of at will. It is more than just a pattern of conflicting goals and identities. That is too shallow to hold all the factors we see manifesting. Worldview is very good as a general statement, assuming that we include symbols and emotions and perceptions and attitudes under it. And of course it includes room for goals and identities. So lets think of a vast pattern encompassing all these things, with various "identities" at focal points, receiving distorted subsets of the pattern. It's hard to visualize the detail on this. My first thought is of something like the tarot deck, with the cards being the implant and the shuffling of them being the living of it. But of course that is oversimplified too. But that tarot analogy is probably as close to what I'm sensing on this as the R6 analogy. The astrological patterns would be yet another taste of this from a different angle. I suspect that the real thing has elements of all of these and much more besides. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Tech - To Rogers on GPMs and Grades TO ROGERS ON GPMS & GRADES On 9 Jul 99, "Rogers" posted on topic "GPMs (again)" > GPMs > > Amongst the many contributing factors for its existence, it is quite > apparent that the GPM structure results from an intolerance of viewpoints. > Of course, this is only one relative truth, but perhaps I might emphasize it > a bit: > > A GPM STRUCTURE RESULTS FROM AN INTOLERANCE OF VIEWPOINTS. > > To a great extent, the whole concept of "opposition" is tied into that of an > opposing intolerable viewpoint. I mean to say, an "oppterm" is not JUST an > opposing terminal, a significant part of the "opposition" is a direct result > of intolerance for their viewpoint. > > Of course, out-grades (out rudiments) CREATE intolerable viewpoints in the > first place. > > Anyway, it just seems to me that GPM handling could be enriched by a bit of > the 5th ACC viewpoint processing tech, either to desensitize the GPMs prior > to handling or to polish off the handling at the end. > > Les C. Rogers. Very very good, you've hit the nail right on the head. Dramatizing GPMs, the intolerance increases. But the source, the earliest postulates on this, are prior to the GPMs. The 5th ACC is definitely one of the more powerful undercuts. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Tech - RESEARCH NOTES RESEARCH NOTES See my previous posting on a Tech Breakthrough. As stated there, we are continually implanting each other on a telepathic basis. I'm still struggling with this. It is quite hard to confront. All sorts of things surface and get in the way as I try to reach this and its hard to say what is simply a lock coming off and what is the present time anatomy. The most important thing to remember is that the why and the basics which undercut this mess are the grades style material rather than the implants themselves or the entity type mechanisms used to deliver them. From the top, it looks like all the heavier mechanisms, everything from CC or R6 to control entities or games matrix type stuff or even codes, ethics, fragmentation, or whatever are all locks on the simple impulse to control others. And the impulse to control is a lock on the desire to get agreement and validation for one's creations. But I'm still working on this. Here are some things I've bumped into so far, just in case I go up in smoke or something while doing this, or get trashed by the orthodox fanatics or whatever. 1. RUNNING OUT HATRED Alternately hate and forgive, working the area or terminal back and forth until the solidity of the hatred blows. Note that after this you don't end up in a sweetness and light kind of state. It increases forgiveness and acceptance and confront but it also improves your ability to hate transiently without the hatred taking on any persistance or solidity. What it really does is run out "holding hatreds" rather than running out hatred in an absolute manner. Note that this area kicked me right in the teeth as soon as I tried to confront the present time mechanisms. It seemed like there were long burried and suppressed hatreds locking the postulates in place which kept the mechanisms mocked up. I think that this one kicked hard because we don't run any kind of a grade in this area. Someone who hasn't run a lot of charge off of the grades areas already would probably find many of them kicking in when he tried to access this thing. The above process works amazingly well. Even on someone or something that you are totally unwilling to forgive, it is easy to forgive in the process because you know that you get to hate them again in just a moment when you go on to the next command. And then after a few cycles you realize that you can just hate at maximum for a moment and really get it out of your system and then drop it and really forgive completely. This is orders of magnitude faster and easier than trying to accept whatever it is you feel like hateing. If you do this on a few tough ones, the suppress comes off and the persistance drops out of hatred. Heavily suppressed and burried hatreds are one of the things that fuels this continuous implanting. 2. A COMPULSIVE CREATE IMPLANT This is really just a fragment of something larger. I don't know if it is part of the current pattern or just something that was in the way. This is like OT 2 Big Being GPM Huge figures in sky Old Man R6 God You must create - From behind you: The Devil - You mustn't create The you who desires to create is opposed by those who dislike creation Those who dislike creation are solved by He who enforces creation The You who enforces creation is opposed by those who inhibit creation Those who inhibit creation are solved by He who refuses to stop creating The You who refuses to stop creating is opposed by those who reject creation Those who reject creation are opposed by He who compulsively creates The You who compulsively creates will have won. 3. FEEDING ON OTHER'S PAIN AND FEAR This is really hard to confront. One generally considers this to be a tremendous overt and so it gets heavily suppressed and that makes it persist out of sight because one cannot bear to let oneself know that it is still there. In early track, one enjoys getting nice flows such as love and admiration from others and there is pleanty to go around, because we each enjoy each others creations. As the being decays, he eventually (middle track) sinks down into playing games. With that people start trying to be better than each others instead of being happy about how good somebody else's creations are. And admiration and so forth become things to win or lose. With that, one enteres into a declining spiral on what flows one can get back from others. At the top of the scale one gets admired etc. and if that fails, one goes for more and more degraded things until one is soaking up the pain and fear that one creates in others. But it is a spiral, so one only stays in that last degraded spot briefly and then shifts into something new that might again be admired. This is a GPM like thing but it is by flows and emotions. And just like GPMs, there is a short nasty bottom scale section that one goes through at the tail end of each cycle. And that nasty section gets heavily suppressed rather than confronted as one swings into the next cycle. And so there are old suppressed postulates to hurt others and delight in it, and they are very difficult to confront. Again these can be brought into view and dissolved by working both sides. Here the suppress was so heavy that I could only work it in mockup form (at least for now) because I had such low confront on the old viewpoints where I might have actually felt this way. So I simply mocked up somebody and then alternately got the idea of making them afraid and delighting in doing that and makeing them feel safe and delighting in doing that, and some heavy weight seemed to ease up with a considerable feeling of relief. This one could also be run union station style, simply going to a crowded place, spotting individuals, and running the afraid/safe process. 4. SOME CONFRONT ON PT After running the above, it felt like I could get a bit more weight off the PT sitionation. So I alternated the following two commands. a) get the idea that every bit of pain, fear, misery, etc. that is going on in the world at this moment is being felt by others because you are holding them trapped in the reality which is inflicting that. b) get the idea of letting go and not enforcing that on everybody For me, the first command was only confrontable because I knew that I would do the second command. And for quite a few commands, the a) command kept getting more real and more dreadfull, and then that seemed to taper off and the b) command started feeling really good, like it was starting to actually happen. Be sure to get to a good feeling on b) and end with the b) command. Of course it is really a co-created mockup, so other people are still holding each other too, but it felt like everything loosened up a bit and my impression is that if enough people did this the whole mess would start unraveling. 5. GRADES ON CREATE Enough weight came off that I began to get a glimer of what the grades would be like in the basic area. At first there is only the create button and the interchange of creations which is communication. And so one would slant grades style processes in that direction. This gives processes like recall creating something (on 5 flows, including another creating something for himself). What would you be willing to create for another. What would you be willing for another to create for you, etc. What creation was invalidated, etc. What creation was left incomplete. What creation was allowed to persist too long. And so forth. I have barely scratched the surface of this area yet. 6. AFTERWORD Obviously I'm still wrestling with this. The basic technique I used on most of the above was the SOP 8OT roll your own bridge which is covered in the 3rd ACC tapes. The self clearing book is really a gentle gradient into this kind of processing. For an advanced student, the heavier later stuff needs to be confronted and handled to whatever degree necessary to be able to reach the basic out grades on the subject of creation itself. Everything else is created and is therefor a lock on the earlier troubles with creation. Affinity, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Tech - SPECULATIONS ON ADVANCED STUFF SPECULATIONS ON ADVANCED STUFF I am wondering what would happen if we all stopped holding each other down into a single enforced reality. CBR's people might think of this as "what if all the plugs were pulled." I use different terminology and look at it a bit differently, but it comes down to the same thing - what if we stopped holding each other trapped on a theta level. The first thing to realize is that all this other stuff, theta lines and entities and machinery and R6 and symbols and games and GPMs and so forth are not the basic source of abberation. Basic is out grades at a godlike level that is almost inconcievable from the humanoid viewpoint. All the other stuff was mocked up because grades were out, and here I am talking about an extended series of grades that includes things like protest and inval as well as PTPs, Overts, and ARC Breaks. One god invalidates another's creations and the other one gets insistant and they start messing each other up and playing games against each other and finally they each want their own universe where the other one isn't allowed (home universe). But even that isn't good enough and heavier infighting starts and eventually you have "organization" and councils of gods and sophisticated abberations being mocked up and finally there is a downward slide into the mud. Even things like "organization" and "exchange" are late track abberations to be run out. These are solutions to insane gods dramatizing wildly against each other. It all goes back to the simplest basics taught in lower level auditing. The mechanics are the simple ones. It is only the context that is out-gradient, which is why we don't see much of this on lower level grades processing. And that is why the grades release instead of errase. We do not get anywhere near basic on them. And things like the CC or Nots only reduce the restimulation of grades material, they never errase the source. So let's say that the chronic restim gets turned off and reality loosens up. This is like letting the prisoners out of jail. This would be a wonderful thing, the pressure would be off, misery and suffereing would be relieved, and people would become free. And yet they would still have all those sick old postulates and out rudiments and all sorts of baggage that would keep them abberated and dramatizing. If the controls are released, the average person is not going to suddenly rise to a state of super high knowledge and awareness. He has postulates to not-know and to not-remember. Letting him out of jail will not automatically change his mind about those things. He will not instantaeously go into high ARC and start to love everybody. He has postulates about that too and an endless track of ARC breaks and hatred. But he will stop being kicked in the teeth by every ill wind that blows and so can be expected to come around eventually. The question is how long will it take? If you move somebody into a safe enviornment, how long is it before he realizes that everyone is not his enemy? The immediate observed effect would be that reality would loosen up and begin to react to postulates. What was one reality would begin to fan out into alternatives as people insisted on holding conflicting postulates against each other and laws of reality by agreement instead of by enforcement and continuity would be in effect. You might walk onto a street where a thousand people lived, and find alternatives. Maybe five hundred would have a version where they held everything as it was before. Maybe another hundred would have turned it into a fantasy land with fireworks and wild orgies and icecream bubbling out of fountains. Another hundred might have been dragged along by fear and non-confront into a nightmare where Godzilla was stamping on houses and burning things down. Maybe another hundred would have a star trek like super civilization caring for their every need and yet another would have some Nazi police state holding a reign of terror. And there might be dozens of versions with low agreement where individuals or small numbers played around with their own ideas. There have been a few hints of this in science fiction. I would recommend Farren's "Last Ride of the DNA Cowboys" as a good example. But I would say that the sci fi presentations are much too dark, fiction tends to pickup the exaggerated extremes rather than the normal events. If such a thing should happen, it becomes essential that anyone who knows any tech whatever begin immediately running light processes on anyone who will listen or needs help. A fast road to OT would be available, simply blow things like not know and withholds and restore ARC. Do things like running problems and solutions as a group process. Teach people to copy something multiple times to blow it instead of flinching at it. Show them how to alternate two sides of something until they get it under control. If people aren't processed up quickly, they will begin dramatizing out grades and kicking the shit out of each other and soon everyone will be trying to postulate the controls back in place. Imagine everyone on the street suddenly becoming a sort of god and not yet realizing it and not yet knowing how to operate. It would be essential for them to get over non-confronts and handle bypassed charge etc. before they figure out how to start throwing lightning bolts at each other. For yourself, run grades on times prior to the heavy controls, or at least imagine what it would be like if everyone's postulates started to stick or wishes started coming true or whatever and consider grades from that viewpoint. I might just be spinning a pipe dream here. But the preparations are a nice end in themselves, running grades type processes and getting people trained in how to process others. So we might as well be prepared just in case. Best, The Pilot ========================================== All this weeks posts used the following trailer - ------------------ The free Self Clearing Book, The Super Scio book, and the "SCIENTOLOGY REFORMER'S HOME PAGE" are all over the net. 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