Date: 20 Nov 1998 04:00:11 Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology From: pilot@soda.csua.berkeley.edu (The Pilot) Subject: SUPER SCIO ARCHIVE 39 - NOV 98 PILOT POSTS POST39.txt SUPER SCIO ARCHIVE 39 - NOV 98 PILOT POSTS Posts to ARS/ACT are in Archive 39 Posts to ACT only are in Archive 40 and 41 ========================================== Contents: subj : Super Scio - THE JESSIE PRINCE TAPES subj : Super Scio - To Inducto & Roland on the Pederast Quote subj : Super Scio - ON THE RALPH DORIEN FANTASY subj : Super Scio - WGERT FOOTBULLETS AGAIN subj : Super Scio - URLs for Web Summary (Attn Marina Chong) subj : Super Scio - PICKETS (Attn CiCiAychar) subj : Super Scio - TO ISMAEL subj : Super Scio - LEAVING STAFF (attn Tilman) subj : Super Scio - THE OLD TIMER'S NETWORK subj : Super Scio Humor - MARCABBAGE, PRINCE OF SPACE ========================================== subj : Super Scio - THE JESSIE PRINCE TAPES THE JESSIE PRINCE TAPES These are well worth reading. The transcripts are up at . First let me say that I have to assume that these are not absolutely accurate since they were not done under oath and Jessie and Larry (who did the interview) have good reason to be pissed off at the CofS. Therefore a bit of exaggeration or unfavorable speculation are only to be expected. But I don't think that there are any outright lies. Too much of this data has been confirmed by other sources. Take the story of Mary Sue for example. I think that it is pretty common knowledge that she was browbeaten by DM and made to relinquish power and sign away things. Jessie gives a very detailed story that has not appeared before, and I think that he really was there and that his account of the events is quite important to the CofS membership. But is his account right on or is it exaggerated? Is the pitifully small sum given to MSH correct or is he just guessing? I would like to see this particular story recounted under oath with a care to accuracy instead of sensationalism. I think that this tale, even if told in a toned down bending over backwards manner, would be a gross shock to the CofS membership. Also note that whoever transcribed the tapes was not familiar with the names and Scientology terms involved and made quite a few bloopers such as writing "Golden Air" instead of "Golden Era", but I think that this is only the transcriber, I'm sure that Jessie was saying the names correctly. Speaking of names, the dancer from Israel whose last name Jessie couldn't remember is old time Scientologist Teshura Tstav (I'm slightly uncertain of the spelling). I'm going to pay special attention here to how these revelations might affect the current membership. After all, I am very interested in seeing the CofS reform. As to the big corporate manuvers, shell corporations, legal irregularities, and so forth, I don't think that any of the membership will be surprised or care. I'm very interested (and I'm sure the critics are interested) because it is important to know your opponent, and I thank Jessie for the data, but this kind of setup is simply typical for big international corporations. Of course is is not really kosher for a Church to be setup along the same lines as the Rockafeller empire, but the membership will accept this (and many are halfway aware of it) as being necessary to survive in a world where there are many big and unethical corporations. What will be shocking to the membership is the way that the money is being used and the hypocracy that is present in the top ranks. Here we have the picture of a tiny click of bad hats indulging in the trappings of money and power and living off of the sweat of thousands of staff who are surviving at the poverty level. It is not that they live well, but that they live far too well at the expense of others who live far too poorly. And at the public level, we have the same misuse of funds, where many millions of dollars leached off of the upper level public by big league sales is used not for good works in support of the tech but instead goes towards funding corporate warfare and leagal attacks and fair gameing. In other words, I do not object to the fact that they have money, I make good money myself at software development. No, its the way that the money is made and the uses to which it is put that is wrong. Personally, I would say that this is an inherent flaw of organizing as a single monolith which will, by definition, have a terrible weak spot at the top. After reading Jessie's account, I am very sold on the need to unbundle the CofS. As long as there is one single point of control, there is always the possibility of it falling into the hands of somebody who is viscious or stupid, and even if the leader is a paragon of virtue, it is a single target that can be taken out with one blow and therefore will become paranoid and take actions motivated by fear instead of good sense. And as I said earlier, the use of international corporate defenses is ill becoming to something that seeks to be a religion and therefor is a flawed solution to survival. They should be organized along the same lines as the Protestants, where there is no central point of attack or single point of failure rather than building a corporate monster that is closer kin to General Motors than it is to anything of a spiritual nature. ------- Jessie also gives an interesting account of the handling of celebrities in Scientology. Older policy was that famous and influential people were not to be given special treatment or offered free service to win their favor. In the mid 1960s, currying favors from influential people is even listed as one of the potential sources of trouble. But the Sea Org reign of terror that developed in the 1968-9 timeframe pissed off quite a few celebrities. Most notable was Burroughs who turned into an outspoken critic, but they also lost such names as Lenny Cohen and Candice Bergman. Even staunch supporter Stephen Boyd cooled off and stopped giving pro Scientology interviews. They drove away Huntington-Hartford (the A&P millionaire - at one point he was going to donate the Huntington-Hartford Museum in NYC to Scientology and let the NY org occupy the lower floors). And even Sue Tyrell, who had worked on staff for years before achiving success as an actress in Hollywood, turned against them. So eventually they cognited that they mustn't treat powerful and influential people with the same crush ethics that they were at that time using on ordinary staff and public (in 1969 even paying public were often doing amends projects - that was when abusive ethics was at its peak, things toned down considerably in the 1970s). And so they flipped the other way, doing everything they could to attract and hold onto celebrities. And eventually, of course, they get enough in a celebrity's pc folder that the person would not dare turn into a critic and get declared and fair gamed. Note that they never use pc folder material for true blackmail. The celebrity could just walk off. But there is always the threat there that if he should become a critic, the org will use his pc folder against him because they consider that critics are not entitled to any protection from policy, even the policy on keeping folders confidential. Personally, I like John Travolta. I think that he has really matured as an actor. And I think that he has made gains from Scientology processing. He could just walk away if he was willing to abandon the tech. But he couldn't become a critic or openly support a freezone organization, because his witholds would be all over the net in a flash. The same would apply to Tom Cruise or any other celebrity who has gotten in deeply. By the way, one of Tom Cruise's personal assistants is OT 8 and old time auditor Wauter Korringa. ------- The insight into DM's character was quite valuable. It was good to hear that he does have his moments of doubt in between his fits of crushing and contolling everything. Doubt might be unpleasant and full of dispair, but it is better to be doubfull than to walk backwards into the jaws of a meat grinder with great confidence and false certainty. The chances are slim, but perhaps there is still a small window in which he might repent and save himself from lifetimes of motivators. (OSA, please pass this on). It was also interesting that Jessie identified Lyman Spurlock as the other major power at the top. Basically Jessie identified the big 4 based on perks and power and then regulated the other two (Starkey and Rathburn) to the role of Miscavige's lackey's. Which leaves Lyman as the one person who might be pulling Davey's strings, if there is such a person at all. ------- On the whole I was not greatly surprised. But it still pissed me off to see how much waste there was (millions for lawyers (ofensive ones rather tha defensive) and private investigators, for example) together with the creation of so much misery for the ordinary staff members. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - To Inducto & Roland on the Pederast Quote TO INDUCTO & RONALD ON THE PEDERAST QUOTE On 16 Oct 98, mcdonald@eieio.com (Ronald McDonald) continued the discussion on subject "Jesse Prince on OT8 -- PILOT?" >On 16 Oct 1998 16:06:35 GMT, inducto@aol.com (Inducto) wrote: > >>From: flying@edge.com (Timothy Prodick): >> >>>For instance, at the beginning of the "Instant Hat" tape, part 1 >>>he called Keynes (the economist) a "pederast." Calling Jesus another >>>is just the kind of thing Hubbard would do. >> >>That's interesting. "Pilot", who seems to be a real tape expert, said >>something to the effect that he thought that calling someone a "pederast" was >>out of character for Hubbard, which made him doubt the OT8. It's interesting >>if there's an example of this sort of accusation on an "official" tape, and I'd >>be interested to hear what Pilot had to say about that. >> >> >>I. > >A Mr. Zell posted the realaudio of Hubbard calling Keynes a "pederast" >on alt.binaries.scientology. It looks like the circumstantial evidence >is getting stronger for the "Jesus was a pedophile" "source". I think that the Instant Hat tape is in the ESTO series, which I haven't heard. So I don't know if this pederast statement is real or a troll. Does anybody have the ra file up at a website? Or even better, has anyone posted a transcript? I'm better on the older tapes rather than the small number done in the 1970s of which I've only heard a few. But it is a moot point. As some others on ARS were quick to point out, I was mistaken in thinking that the word "pederast" appears in the bogus OT 8, it was just a lable put on it in ARS, it describes it without actually using the word. So I had to go back and reanalyze it in detail, which I posted last month. By the way, who is Keynes? Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - ON THE RALPH DORIEN FANTASY ON THE RALPH DORIEN FANTASY This was written by an expert at psychological manipulations. It goes far beyond the average psychology texts and I recommend it as a study in how to dork people around. It is very Machiavellian in its analysis, by which I mean that it has no considerations or bias either towards good or evil but simply addresses the technical aspects of how to create the effects envisioned. It has a decent analysis of how to push buttons and herd the sheep. And the author has some aquaintance with Scientology tech and modern Scientology operating procedures. However, it is a fairy tale. The outpoints will be obvious to anyone who is familiar with the 1950s tech. The Dorian vision of a secret crew of 5 backing a Hubbard front man for the purposes of mind control just doesn't fit. We already know that Hubbard had help from ACC students such as Farber, Horner, Gerbode, and Galusha despite the fact that the org tries to push this out of sight. Their intentions and their subsequent actions just don't line up with Dorian's secret comittee, nor does Hubbard's behavor in the 50s. I would say that the actual truth is that an expert psychologist took a hard look at modern Scientology and said "how would I create that effect if I wanted to". And then he wrote up how it could be accomplished. The trouble is that he is right, not in his fantasy of how it all started, but right in his vision of how it behaved later. Just for a moment put aside your knowledge of the basics, the 1950s material, and the auditing tech, and just look at post 1965 operating practices and HCO PLs. If you do that, you will see that he is spot on. It's all designed to manipulate and control and push buttons. In fact the truth is worse because the tech, used in a reverse manner, goes far beyond what is envisioned in psychology. In fact, that is one of the biggest outpoints with his analysis. His psychological data just isn't good enough to match the effectiveness of black Scientology in getting people to empty their bank accounts, abandon their families, and willingly remain in the RPF to be further abused. Reverse Scientology is much better at making slaves of people than behavioral modification. But it still makes an important point. It has been said before, but I'll say it again, if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is a duck. The trouble is that this mockup of a manipulative cult is layered on top of something which was quite the reverse. ----- Let's take a hard and unbiased look at this thing and try to see a bit more of the truth. Take communication, for example. We know that communication is the universal solvent. We know that problems will develope in an area where communciation is inhibited and we know that they will dissolve in an area where free and open communication is promoted. So let us say that we want to manipulate somebody. To do this, we encourage communciation along some lines and inhibit it on others. The areas where it is inhibited will become problem areas and the ones where it is open and easy will be fun for the person. The person will move away from the difficult areas and gravitate towards the pleasant ones. Do you want him working for the org and staying away from his family? Simply inhibit his comm with his family. Problems and difficulties will develope. Soon he will be happy to get away from them. Simple, isn't it. Disconnecting from somebody doesn't handle them, instead it causes grade 1 to go out in that area. The area gets worse. If you remain high toned and continue to communicate, criticism will die down. If you cut comm it gets worse. This is why the problems and incomplete communications process works. Now in the 1950s, there was the idea that sometimes you had to temporarily remove somebody from an environment where they were getting continually chewed up and invalidated. That is a valid action, but note that it is not the same as disconnection. It is a temporary breathing spell while the person gathers his forces and builds up his strength so that he can handle the area. He is only supposed to back off temporarily while he gets an intenive of auditing. We know this data on communication. We know it well. Ron knew it exceedingly well. How could he issue the policy on disconnection? Did he forget all the data on comm? I just can't imagine that that was the case. ----- So what other possibilities exist? A) The policy was written by others without his knowledge or agreement. This is possible on minor things, we do know that others were writing policy. It is impossible on anything as major as disconnection. B) Could he have been bad intentioned to begin with? I feel that this is also impossible. There is too much that is right and positive in the early tech. I can't believe that somebody with evil intentions could have developed it. C) Could he have gone bad? This would require a total GPM style flip flop, becoming what you oppose. It is just barely possible that this might have happened during all the messed up GPM listing of the early 1960s. But it's hard to imagine that the flip could be so extreme and persist for the rest of his life, especially considering how much tech he knew. So I give this one a low probablility. D) Could he be a comittee? This is a new idea proposed by Dorian. It is possible. Whereas I don't believe that an evil manipulator and a master tech finder could be one in the same person, I do think that it is possible to have a group of which one is the tech finder and another is the manipulator and yet a third is the promoter who appears to be the only source. But this still doesn't fit the facts. The promoter would have to be there alone as he lectured and worked with the ACC students. Its possible later but not in the early days. He might have had more help than the org likes to admit, but he never could have cut it if he was only a front man. E) Could he have been put under control and used? This is a distinct possibility. Maybe a CIA PDH operation or a Marcabian implant or something. I can hardly guess. F) Or is is it a mixture of factors? Maybe research errors and a bit of decay. And maybe he had help earlier and drove those guys away. And possibly some of his later supporters were not of the best intentions and made things worse. But this one might not be good enough to really explain what seems to be intentional reverse use of the tech. So although it is my favorite, I don't think that it is leading by more than a nose in comparison with some of the others above. ----- Alternatives D and E above share one common factor which is that there is a Hidden Influence, somebody behind the scenes who is manipulating this, and that might be true for F as well (with the manipulator showing up later and hving less strength). Note that this does not mean world conspiracy, there are pleanty of manipulators. I notice that CofS has gotten worse rather than better in these regards since Ron departed (late 1970s, he did little after he went into hiding). If alternative C was correct, things should have improved because there are many good people still on staff and they keep trying to fix the mess and getting beaten down. This tends to indicate that there really is some other source which is still active. It wouldn't be DM, the outpoints predate him by a considerable margine. He would only be the current puppet dictator. There would be somebody pulling the strings behind him. So the real question is who. I don't have an answer for that one at this time. ----- This is worth a lot of serious thought. Read Dorian's writeup. I'm pretty sure that its bogus, but it does give you an idea of how these manipluations are done. And think about what buttons might be used to manipulate you. ----- At this point I think that there are two good possibilities - 1. There was a tremendous breakthough in the 1950s and somebody has successfully subverted it. OR 2. A tantalizing amount of advanced tech was used as the bait for a trap. It might even be that the space alien ideas are correct and some of the tech came from off planet. So either we are rescuing key knowlege or we are stealing the bait off of a hook. In either case it is well worth the effort. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - WGERT FOOTBULLETS AGAIN WGERT FOOTBULLETS AGAIN On 22 Oct 98, wgert@loop.com (wgert) posted on subject "More on OTVIII and "Ralph"" > On 21 Oct 1998 08:02:31 PDT, Dennis Erlich wrote: > > >Ron Pook's friend: > >sense@tojo.net says... > >>>More information from an old-timer who saw the "Jesus is a > >>>pedophile" version while on-lines. > > > >more hearsay > > > >>Add me to the list of people who can verify that the HCOB > >>exists. David Butterworth of OSA kept a copy of it in his > >>office filing cabinet. > > > >I'm quite sure he would. The document was no doubt produced by OSA > >as a trojan horse to entrap critics. In any case it certainly was not > >written by elrong. > > > > Rev Dennis Erlich > > What a cheap shot by Erlich. > > Because Erlich was once a member of the Church, he > claims to be familiar with its "inner workings." First, he > has not been in the Church for thirteen years and his > postings show how completely out of touch he is. > So the next time you read a posting from Dennis Erlich > attacking Scientology and its people, realize that the demon > he is fighting is in his own mind. > > wgert What a cheap shot by Wgert. Can't you evaluate relative importances? Dennis is actually supporting the org's position that the pederast bulletin is not by Ron, and you use that as an excuse to engage in dead agenting him? Does this mean that you think the pederast quote really was by Ron? Are you doing a GPM flip flop or what? Or is it just that you have such a craving to dead agent that you can't refrain from it even when you know it is the wrong action? Try running "mock up a way to waste dead agenting". And what have they done with the intelligent Wgert? Is he in the RPF now along with the pig loving Wgert? If I sound annoyed, its because I've been arguing this one on ARS and its a relief to have Dennis agree that its a bogus bulletin (and he knows a hell of a lot more tech than you do even if he's turned his back on it). And then you shoot at him for it. Talk about stupid footbullets. Jeezz. The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - URLs for Web Summary (Attn Marina Chong) URLs for Web Summary (Attn Marina Chong) On 22 OCT, marina@fakeaddress (Marina Chong) posted the latest revision of her excellent "A.R.S. Web Page Summary [22 Oct 1998]" > Mirror sites: > > http://www.best.com/~mchong/arsweb.shtml > http://www.entheta.net/arsweb.shtml > http://www.cl.ais.net/trc/mchong.htm > http://www.mygale.org/01/tussier/arsweb.htm > http://homepage.cistron.nl/~davel/mchong.htm > http://www.whidbey.net/~skyhawk/arshtml.htm > http://xenu.phys.uit.no/cos/arshtml.html > http://www.thur.de/religio/server/webpag.html > > Welcome to Marina's A.R.S. Web Page Summary! > [last update: 22 Oct 1998] > > If you've ever asked: > > * What is Scientology? > * Why is Scientology attacking the Internet, and how? > * Why are Scientologists called clams? > * What do all these strange abbreviations and terms mean? > * Who are all these people who post here? > * How does Scientology deal with criticism? > * How will I get any useful information with A.R.S. clogged with ClamSpam[tm]? > * [etc] > > Take heart, for all is revealed in the following Web pages: She has a good "FREE ZONE:" section near the end including links to some of my pages, but we have been negligent in keeping her up to date on important freezone links, especially the huge freezone america website and Ralph's Helpline. So here are a few more freezone links that she might like to add - Freezone America: http://fza.org Pilot: http://fza.org/pilot/index.html Ralph Hilton: http://ralph.hilton.org/ Other freezoner's might want to check if their links are missing from her list or out of date. And let me recommend her page as a good resource to link to. > Marina's Manor: http://www.best.com/~mchong/ Thank you Marina. The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - PICKETS (Attn CiCiAychar) PICKETS (Attn CiCiAychar) On 8 Nov 98, ciciaychar@aol.comDOWNBOY (CiCiAychar) posted on subject "How Scn Staff View Pickets" > A Scientologist that I had a conversation with made a very > interesting remark to me and I thought that I would share it > with everyone. I have permission to do so. The remark is this: > > " Picketers make the Scientologists band together tighter as a > group and only closes their mind more, unfortunately." > > > > "I empathize with ignorant Scientologists. Most of the staff have > NO IDEA why the hell you guys are picketing them. It's so unreal > and picketers look like a bunch of crazies to them because service > org staff doesn't understand. Really, the picketers should get on > Hollywood Blvd and picket right in front of of the L. Ron Hubbard > Exhibition in which International management are the floors right > above. THAT may be very powerful. You guys could scare all the > tourists away." > > It certainly made me stop and think. This individual also stated > that the way to spread information and change was to start at the > very bottom of the Scn membership and go up from there. > > Just wanted to share this point of view with everyone. > > Regards, > CiCi > SP2, KoX > --------------- > Diagonally parked in Nothing is foolproof to a > a parallel universe. sufficiently talented fool. > -------------- > Drop DOWNBOY to email! Exactly. A staff member looking at a Scientology Kills sign is simply going to think that the evil psychs or the world conspiracy is behind it and fight all the harder. They are not going to think about this, they know that you are wrong and that you are spreading lies about them. You could roll the body out on a cart infront of the org and they would still be sure that you were lying. On the other hand, a sign saying REFORM SCIENTOLOGY would make at least some of the staff stop and think. If they then say "what business of it is yours", you can reply that Scientology is abusing people and you want it to stop. You could do a mixture. If you have a big picket, why not have some signs that will communicate to the staff as well as some that are aimed at scaring away people. That would be fair and sensible and might get something to change in the organization. When you go purely to destroy, you will get a pulling together on the staff's part because they see no other choice than defending to the last man. When you give them an alternative, they don't have to do that and you might create dissention in the ranks. Warrior and others as well as myself have all made good suggestions about signs that would hit staff's buttons. If you have half a dozen signs, why not have one or two aimed in that direction? Even if you are on Hollywood Blvd. aiming at scaring off tourists, a reform sign amidst the others gives you the moral high ground and dispels any charges of religious bigotry. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - TO ISMAEL TO ISMAEL First of all, let's not get into a pissing contest. Obviously I believe deeply in the tech and think that it is very important. But I also understand that after a hell ride with captain Ahab, one might well deny the existance of whales and the sea and abandon the practice of sailing altogether. So I don't bother proselytizing on ARS. On the subject of money and vested interests, I would point out that I am not affiliated with any specific freezone organizations and I don't make any money off of this, I am doing it out of faith and conviction rather than for gain. Furthermore, I am still officially in CofS and my big target is to get them to reform. I am quite in agreement with the critics about the abuses practiced by the organization and I want to see them stopped. I do think that it would be nice to collect royalites for my books someday, but obviously that is not a motivating factor since I put everything I write up on the net for free. Furthermore, I think that all tech should be available at normal book prices rather than the exorbanant monopoly prices that the orgs like to use. As far as freezone groups go, I think that the real solution to avoiding scams and ripoffs and CofS like behavior is to have normal business world style competition and broad publication of all materials. For CofS itself, I believe that the best thing would be to have it unbundled like any big corporation that practices monopoly style price gorging and smashing of competition. Let each org be set off on its own with all the materials and freedom to deliver as it sees fit. With that, if ASHO RPFed somebody, he might just tell them to go fuck off and get a job at AOLA without having to choose between abandoning his religion or eating shit. And if an org choose to practice price gorging or abusive ethics, the public could simple go to a different org that was behaving more sensibly. But the biggest protection against abuse would be to have do it yourself books so that the person can practice the subject without having to depend on anybody. If you study a do it yourself book on automechanics, you might still choose to take your car to a mechanic, but you stop being a sucker for rip-off type repair shops. That is what the self-clearing book is all about. People can go at it on their own without having to kiss anybody's ass (not even mine) or drain their life savings. And the book is not an exclusive. It can be immitated. I expect that eventually quite a few people will be writing these, slanted different ways, because I don't think that one size fits all. I am trying to set this thing free rather than sell something. Now as to Hubbard's tapes, my point was that back in the 1950s he avoided lying to his advanced course students. And so you find that they contradict bullshit that he might say or have others say to the outside world. The critics poke fun at his technical ideas (invader forces or whatever), but of course that doesn't carry any weight with the membership that believes in the tech. But when Ron in his own words backs up and validates an account in Bare Faced Messiah and invalidates whatever PR stuff the org might publish in "Ron the Devoted Husband", that carries a lot of weight with the membership. And as Inductio pointed out, it is very odd that the first wife (Polly) is disliked but accepted whereas the second wife (Sarah) is errased from the org's history. Very strange. But Nibs is already starting to disappear from the tapes (the favorable mention of Nibs on the Role of Earth tape has already been cut), so maybe they are just being practical about waiting until there are fewer people who remember him before errasing the first marriage as well. Enough for now. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - LEAVING STAFF (attn Tilman) LEAVING STAFF (attn Tilman) On 13 Oct 98, tilman@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr) posted on subject "You are not allowed to leave staff publicly" > I am reading HCOPL 7.12.1976 LEAVING AND LEAVES. It explains that > "informing fellow staff members and others that one is leaving is > properly labeled a suppressive act". > > But here is the correct way to do it: "to report it only to the HAS and > Staff Chaplain and not to fellow staff members". If you don't do it so, > you'll get an SP declare. Of course, everyone must also get a security > check before departure (if not, you won't get your paycheck) and when > coming back. > > Funny is that Elron says "there is no intention of holding on to people > who do not want to be where they are". > > Found in OEC Vol0, p. 132. > > Where I work, when someone leaves, she/he tells everyone (if it is a > well-known person, it is even announced in the company usenet), and > throws a big party. > > Tilman > > -- > (C) Tilman Hausherr [KoX, SP4] > tilman@berlin.snafu.de http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/#cos > > Resistance is futile. You will be enturbulated. Xenu always prevails. > > Find broken links on your web site: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/xenulink.html > Annoy scientology by buying books: http://www.snafu.de/~tilman/bookstore.html Absolutely correct. I have a friend who routed off staff and was stuck on post for a year while doing the routing out and had to withhold from all his fellow staff members that he was routing out. Truely rediculous. And yet this will shock any old time ex-staff members who have not kept up with modern policy, because this business didn't start until 1976. When I was on staff back in the 60s, routing out took: a) You had to get a replacement for your post, but in lieu of that you could give RAP (Dept of Routing, Appearances, and Personel) one month's notice. b) You had to do the off staff routing form, which might take about a week. This included a one page off staff sec check (it was either form 7A or 7B, one of them is staff and one is public - a real quick check). Waiting for the session was the main reason it took a week. But you could start writing ethics chits if they didn't get you in session in that week. c) If you had a freeloader bill, you had to make arrangements to pay it. Theoretically you had to pay 5% of your income towards the debt until it was paid off to be considered in good standing and eligiable for doing services while the debt was still hanging there. This meant that the org might only be getting 5 bucks a week from somebody (there were $100 a week normal jobs back in 1968) and yet they might still be coming in and hanging out with their friends on staff or even finishing a course that they had started while on their staff contract or buying some new service. And none of this was kept secret or withheld. This was fine in the pleasant days of 1967 & early 68. By 1969 (a dark crazy period of crush ethics, quickie tech, and heavy force), there was massive and continual blows from post, so they didn't dare get tough about routing out because the staff member would just leave, knowing that he could get back in by doing a liability formula and a day of amends. People did that in 1969 just to take a week or two vacation. Policy says that they don't get declared if they can be coaxed back in, so they'd just turn off their phone or stay at their parents' for a few weeks so that nobody could try to coax them and fail. Mid 1970 had a mild reform as expanded grades came in and all ethics penalties were cancelled (reinstated in 1971). When my contract was up in 1971, I simply blew. Then I waited a decent interval for them to replace me on post and then came back in and did an amends project for having blow and routed off officially. It was fairly easy and I remained in good standing and continued to do services at the org. That was the normal way that people left staff in those days and nobody thought much of it. But things gradually got tighter and tougher again as the 1970s progressed, especially for Sea Org (who were treated much rougher than the outer org staff that I was discussing above). And as you can see from the above policy, it got harder and harder to route off of staff. But I don't think that it generally took more than a few weeks to route out even in the late 70s. According to the rumors I've heard, routing out in modern times has become this horrible endlessly long cycle even if your contract is up and you have no debt to the org. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio - THE OLD TIMER'S NETWORK THE OLD TIMER'S NETWORK I haven't talked much about OTN for fear of drawing OSA's attention to it. But I got their latest newsletter (vol 2 number 2) recently and they appear to have been effectively stifled, so here goes. Although these old timers are much more party line than ARS or freezone might like, they nonetheless are open talking, free thinking Scientologists who do not fit the modern regimented mold and their stories are quite interesting. Those of you who were at the LA complex picket early this year will remember a delightful old timer who came right out and was having fun with arguing and discussing things with the critics and was much respected by the picketers. This is the kind of person I'm talking about. Of course with their usual stupidity, the SO fanatics came running out and dragged him away. OTN used to have a bit of that flavor. But it has gradually disappered. The new issue of the newsletter seems to have nothing but PR. Looking back at Vol 2 issue 1 of their newletter (issued at the begining of 1998), it has a few nice old timer's stories (much better than the current issue) but nothing that would detract from Ron's glory. Going back to the previous newsletters of 1997, there are real stories about people who really did things, such as Don Breeding developing the modern E-meter in 1957-8. Its still very pro Ron, but its a completely different picture, a view of a man who had help rather than a single divine source. Their annual reunion (held each September in LA) also seems to be going down the same path. The last reunion (a few months ago) had this new feature - you didn't have to be an old timer (25 years or more in Scientology) to attend. It has gradually been shifting over into a PR event. And then there is the story of the OTN website, which was up all last year with no content but only a picture from the Hubble telescope and a "coming soon" type notice. But they couldn't get issue authority, so its gone by the boards. The modern OTN was no more than a shadow of the free thinking Old Timer's Club of the 1970s, but what little they had seems to have been taken away from them by OSA and issue authority. As Walt Kelly said, "We have met the enemy and he is us". Scientologists should star rate check out on this and do it in clay. Walt's daughter Carolyn, by the way, is an old time Scientologist. Best, The Pilot ========================================== subj : Super Scio Humor - MARCABBAGE, PRINCE OF SPACE MARCABBAGE, PRINCE OF SPACE The loyalist officers in 4th dimensional hiding seem to have intercepted a radio broadcast of a popular soap opera called "Marcabbage, Prince of Space". Here is the episode that they recorded. ============= In the constellation of Pegasus there lies a star known as Marcabbage, often abbreviated to Marcab by the sloppy and illiterate denzines of Earth. Around that star orbits a planet of the same name which is the capitol of an empire. And on that planet there is a ruling family, who also call themselves Marcabbage. And it did come to pass that King Xemu Marcabbage and his queen Scarf did have a son and named him David. And they looked forward to the glorious reign of David Marcabbage when the time came for him to ascend to the throne. But these royal lines are oft too deeply inbred and the twisted gene did strike upon David. "Why is that footman walking barefoot through the throne room!" cried King Xemu. "It is Davey." replied Queen Scarf. "He is collecting shoes. All the servants must give him their shoes and he sits up all night standing guard over them." "Yet more foolishness. What of the harem we sent to him so that he might learn the manly arts? Do they not distract him from these moronic endeavors?" "Indeed he plays with the harem. But their true use seems to be beyond his understanding. Instead he makes them stand in the dark and then runs around wacking at them. It is most undignified and a great waste. It is very upsetting to the girls for they go unsatisfied." "Furthermore," continued the queen, "he is making trouble with the royal treasury. He says that all must pay double taxes and that no money may be dispensed, it can go into the vaults but must never come out again." "This is outrageous," said the king. "We will have the merchants in revolt in no time. What is to be done?" "You cannot punish him. I will not stand for it", the Queen cried. "Even if he is a moron, he is still our child." "But he will destroy the empire when he takes the throne." "Then you must find some way to teach him without putting the realm at risk" replied Scarf. And so they though long and hard upon how this might be accomplished. Finally, after two score days, the king hit upon a solution. "Call for the First Wanker" yelled the King. And so El Hubbardo, First Wanker Of The Realm was summoned to the throne room. "I have a most important mission for you", declared the King. "Go forth and preparest ye a place for my fine son David to learn to be a proper ruler, and where he might make mistakes and wreak havok in the process without endangering the realm." "But where might such a place be?" asked Hubbardo. "Where ever he goes the royal family will soon be a laughing stock. I may be a greater wanker than anyone else, but I cannot work miracles." "I have just the place. It is a world called, Dirt by its inhabitants. A dismal place where we dumped some criminals once." "The world is Earth your majesty. But it lies in the territory claimed by Espinich." responded Hubbardo. "All the better" said the king. "If all goes well, he can order the Dirtlings to stop eating Spinich and appease Emporer Roland of Espinich. And if Davey proves too stupid to rule, they will manage to snatch him up and hold him as a hostage. Then I will be rid of the moron and Scarf will not blame me because giving him the Dirt world was her idea in the first place. "Now let the master technician fold time and space to place you there ahead of my son so that you might prepare a core of loyal worshippers to obey him. You will both be beamed into newborn bodies there while your real bodies are kept on ice. Let Davey either gain the experience he needs or be forever more gone from my sight. This is my decree. Make it so". And with that the king waved Hubbardo from his presence. And so the great Hubbardo incarnated upon the Earth (or Dirt if you prefer), and began to prepare a fanatical religion to worship upon Davey. But he resented being regulated to a backwater while great doings might be afoot within the empire. And so he did tinker with the plan for his own amusement. Soon he had given the prospective worshippers a secret scripture preaching against Xemu and even went so far as to reveal Xemu's nasty habbit of tossing people who displeased him into the volcanos which abound upon Marcabbage. But Xemu eventually found out and sent his chief physician, Denke Wenke, to Dirt to stab Hubbardo in the ass with Visatril and get him out of the way. Meanwhile, Davey Marcabbage ascended to the leadership of the fanatical followers. But he still collected shoes and tried to lock all the money up in the vaults. - TUNE IN FOR NEXT WEEKS EPISODE where Davey accidentally locks himself in the vault and then is rescued by the little grey guys from Espinich, only to be held hostage. Will Davey ever learn? Will Scarf refuse to sleep with the king again? Will Xemu toss more people into the volcano? These questions and more will be answered next week. ======================== End of the broadcast recored by the Loyal Officers in 4th dimensional hiding. Happy joking and degrading, The Pilot ========================================== These were all posted with the following trailer - ------------------ The free Self Clearing Book, The Super Scio book, and the "SCIENTOLOGY REFORMER'S HOME PAGE" are all over the net. See The Self Clearing Homepage for URLs to these sites http://fza.org/pilot/selfclr.htm or http://www.proweb.co.uk/~tech/clear.htm Or see The Pilots Home Page at http://fza.org/pilot/index.htm Some translations are available, see In German - www.sgmt.at/pilot.htm In Hungarian - www.extra.hu/self/index.html In Russian - http://www.user.cityline.ru/~cisergem/ and www.aha.ru/~espinol and http://www.tagil.ru/~sk/pilot/pilot.html. The MASTER LIST OF LRH TAPES which I posted recently is available both at fza.org and at http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~krasel/CoS/tapes.html All of this week's posts will be collected in Super Scio Archives #39, 40, and 41 and posted to ACT. See the Pilot Archives at FZA.ORG. Note that some of my posts only go to ACT. I cannot be reached by email. I watch ARS and ACT for messages with Pilot in the subject line. ------------------