Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology From: pilot@hiddenplace.com (The Pilot) Subject: Super Scio Archive - <3/9> posts of May 97 Date: 25 Aug 1997 14:00:14 POST3.TXT SUPER SCIO PILOT POSTS OF MAY 1997 ======================== Contents (Headers): Subj : FOR ANDREAS - Opinions from a Scientologist Subj : Super Scio - Latest CofS Plans Subj : Super Scio reply to MICHAEL VOYTINSKY Subj : Super Scio reply to Joe Harrington Subj : Super Scio - reply to David Gerard Subj : Super Scio - THE COSMOLOGY OF SCIENTOLOGY Subj : To Martin Hunt and Other Critics (Super Scio) Subj : Re: SUPER SCIO Asking Ars For Help Subj : Super Scio - AE VanVogt and CADA Subj : Re: The Pilot in 4th Dimension hiding (Super Scio amusement) (two other Tech posts issued at this time are included in post4.txt instead to keep them together with followup messages). ======================== Subj : FOR ANDREAS - Opinions from a Scientologist -------------- On May 9, 1997, Andreas Heldal-Lund (heldal@online.no) posted > Subject: Invitation to Scientologists (second try) > Message-ID: <3372f874.405259091@news.telepost.no> asking for opinions or rebuttle from Scientologists which could be put up on his website which is: > OPERATION CLAMBAKE -- http://home.sol.no/heldal/CoS/ Although I am a Scientology Reformist rather than a Loyalist, and my opinions do not reflect those of Scientology Management, I am, none the less, still in good standing (and will remain so only until OSA succeeds in cracking my anonymous identity unless a reform occurs before that happens). Therefore, it would seem appropriate for me to contribute to the "pro" section of this website, especially as the loyalists seem to be afraid to say anything. Andreas has asked for e-mail as follows: > 10.Use "Opinions from a Scientologist" as the subject of > the message when mailing it to me. Since I don't use e-mail (I already have one line of potential exposure injecting into the newfeeds, I don't need a second one, no matter how secure, because it doubles my opportunities for making a careless mistake and blowing my cover), I'm putting this into ARS in the hope that he will see it and pick it up. If he doesn't get it in a week or so, perhaps some kind soul could email it to him. -------------- OPINIONS FROM A SCIENTOLOGIST by The Pilot Yes I am a Scientologist. I believe that L. Ron Hubbard was a brilliant man who made important discoveries about the mind and spirit. I do consider Scientology to be a religion because it treats the person as an immortal spirit who reincarnates down through the ages. This did not come about through some devine revelation but instead resulted from the simple and practical matter that the use of Dianetic incident running to relieve traumatic experiences continually lead to uncovering past life incidents. This was contrary to the theories presented in "Dianetics The Modern Science Of Mental Health" and was the original breakthrough which changed the subject from a therapy into what might better be described as an advanced form of metaphysics and practical philosophy. Unfortunately, the management of the Church of Scientology has chosen to persue various policies which I believe to be harmful and distructive. The backlash against these harmful acts may result in their eventual demise and bring about the loss of what I consider to be the most important of all subjects, namely the study of man as an immortal spirit rather than as a meat body wallowing in the mud. On this basis, I am a reformer rather than a loyalist within the ranks. There are many who share my views. But one of the harmful policies that I wish to see changed forbids any attempt at reforming the subject. For this reason, you will see little talk of reform within Scientology because any member who proposes it is immediately excommunicated. This is the reason that I must post this and any other honest discussion in an anonymous manner. To identify myself would result in my being declared a "Suppressive Person" and would cause friends and family to "disconnect" from me. If that did happen, the only way I could continue to practice my religion would be to join the "Freezone" which consists of disbarred Scientologists who practice without sanction from the Church. Unfortunately, Scientology management attacks these independents with a visciousness that defies description. This is another point where serious reform is needed. It has been said that Scientology, which claims a membership of 8 million world wide, actually only has about 50 thousand members. This is incorrect. The true membership (not counting the people who only did a beginners course which is where the inflated figure of 8 million comes from) is probably around 1 or 2 million. But the critics are right in observing that the active membership is around 50 thousand. 95 percent of the Scientologists are currently inactive and standing on the sidelines thanks to the misguided management that is currently in effect. Currently there is a great controversy about material that the Church has labled "confidential materials". These are secret scriptures which management has made a big deal out of and for which they charge excessively high prices. Of these, the most secret are the NOTS materials. They deal with techniques for the handling of "entities" (which are referred to as "body thetans" or BTs in the materials). These form the tiniest percentage of the Scientology materials. When this material was originally researched in the 1952-3 time period, it was recognized to be a minor factor. It was not at that time considered to be dangerous or labled confidential and was only discussed in about two dozen out of the 600 or so lectures given by Ron during that period of early research into what is known as "OT" or Operating Thetan. "Thetan" is the Scientology word for spirit, meaning the person himself rather than his body and an OT is a being who has regained his ability to operate as a spirit rather than just as a body. Considering that there are over 3000 hours of taped lectures by Ron and many tens of thousands of pages of written materials, this business of handling entities is only a drop in the bucket and is not truely representative of the subject. But Scientology management has made a grave mistake in attaching fantastic importance to this minor aspect and has gone lawsuit crazy on the subject of keeping these materials hidden. They do this because "confidential levels" are imagined to be big money makers. They have followed the same path as did Christianity in the middle ages, placing money ahead of truth, but Christianity has mostly overcome this (with a few exceptions) and so can Scientology. The presence of greed in the upper ranks neither validates nor invalidates the religion itself, it is simply an unfortunate fact of human nature that sometimes gains the upper hand. But not only are these money making ideas morally wrong, they are also quite stupid. Really big income comes from high volume and low prices rather than trying to gorge the rich for some exclusive service. The backlash to this lawsuit madness has been to make people so mad at the Church that great efforts and risks are undertaken to present these confidential materials to the public. As of this writing, a copy of the NOTS auditors pack is available at Andreas' web site. I personally do not have any objection to your downloading it (but I am in total disagreement with Scientology management in this regards). I don't think it will harm you to read it and you might even find the techniques useful on some rare occasion. But please realize that this is only one out of many dozens of areas addressed by Scientology. It would be far more useful to most people to get copies of the Scientology materials on handling things like problems or upsets. I have run the NOTS materials myself with benifit (and the NOTS pack I have seen on the internet does match the one used by the Church) but it would not have been of great interest to me or been very useful until after I had worked over the more important areas (such as communication, problems, guilt, etc.) extensively. The internet is also carrying a good bit of what Scientoligists call "whole track" material. By whole track, we mean the whole time track of a beings existance rather than the current lifetime. Again this only represents a small percentage (perhaps a hundred taped lectures) of a vast body of work. It is slightly speculative and is labled "para-Scientology". These things are primarily based on data accumlated from running past life incidents that took place in earlier space travelling civilizations. As such, they suffer from the vaguries of individual recall. A number of the sessions where these kind of things came up are recorded among the numerous taped lectures and it is left up to the membership to judge these things for themselves. It is an adventure of exploration rather than an accurate and confirmed history. You don't have to believe these things to practice the subject. Modern Dianetic practictioners are expected to let the PC (preclear - the person being helped) run past life incidents but they are expressly forbidden to suggest or evaluate what is to be found in these earlier lives. It is an individual matter. Scientology management currently finds itself in the hypocritical position of suppressing free speach and open communication while worshipping a founder who's most famous quote is "When in doubt, communciate". And its not just the external critics that they suppress. They also suppress the communications of their own membership. Isn't it amazing that there isn't an army of enthusiastic individual Scientologists honestly communicating about the subject on the internet? You many not know it, but most Scientoligists have a fantastically high communication level. They have it on any subject except Scientology itself. And they have it there too as long as they are not talking publicly. But any public communication requires getting "Issue Authority". Any openly critical remark will land them in Ethics. And even a lighthearted joke could get them in trouble because of the "Jokers and Degraders" policy. They are literally scared to say anything publicly about Scientology. And its Scientology management that enforces this and keeps them afraid. This is why I am a reformer within Scientology, and will continue to be one as long as I remain anonymous. And when I can no longer remain anonymous, I will continue to be a reformer. Unfortunately, at that point I will be a reformer on the outside since attempting to reform the subject is one of the many acts listed as "High Crimes" which will cause one to be thrown out and excommunicated. There are many of us within the subject. We begin with veiled remarks to feel each other out. Gradually, free communication begins to develope. Eventually you discover that only a small percentage believe in Int (International) Management. Most dislike prices, registrars, ethics, and the various high pressure tactics empolyed by the Sea Org. Most of the membership remains in because they believe in the tech and in the expressed goals of the subject. This is why I have stayed in for so long. My opinions do not reflect those of Scientology management. They do, however, reflect the opinions of many Scientologists, most of whom are afraid or unwilling to speak publicly. Many of those who do disagree with management will not say so publicly because they are afraid that the subject will be distroyed if they give any support to the critics. Management encourages this. They might even be encouraging some of the attacks on Scientology. Any attack that does not publish confidential data (because that is a money maker) works to their benifite because it supports their contention that there is a war on between Scientology and the "evil suppressives" (or psychs or squirrels or wogs or whatever). In peacetime, many citizens consider it their right and duty to criticize the government. But if a country is at war, such criticism can be labled as treason. The same goes for Scientology. If they can promote a war zone mentality, they can lable any internal critic as a suppressive person and toss him out. I sincerly believe that Scientology is critical to the future of this planet. I also believe that the current management is stearing the religion stright towards distruction. Their rabid attacks create enemies where there were none. Their suppression of communications violates every basic principle of Scientology auditing. Their exploitation of their own staff members drains the backbone of the organization and leaves them ever weak and endangered. And their endless "stops" on the lines prevent the membership from learning and using the tech of Scientology, which was the purpose of the whole thing in the first place. These stops not only include the super high prices but also endless unnecessary security checks, ethics stops, confidentiality, and a dread fear of anybody actually using the subject who is not totally under the control of the Sea Organization. Who is "they" you might ask? Well that's a little hard to determine. There is the "Watchdog Committee" ("Who are these dogs?" another Scientologist in good standing once said to me), and there is the RTC, and there is the Board of Directors, and there is Author Services, and lots of other stuff. It is very unclear who is really running things and who is just a figurehead like Heber. Rumor has it that Miscavige is calling the shots, but that is not stated clearly to the membership. The membership is asked to put their trust in Flag and Int. Management and to believe that LRH (L. Ron Hubbard) set things up to leave the subject in the best of hands. But I would point out that everybody who Ron ever gave serious power to was subsequently declared suppressive. This includes Reg Sharp, Otto Roos, Ron Shafron, Bill Franks, and David Mayo just to name a few. Either he had extrodinarily bad judgement or something else was going on out of sight. I will not even guess at the reason. All I can say for sure is that whoever he left in control has long since passed the point where he would have been declared suppressive if Ron were still around. This is a call to all Scientologists to actively push for reform. I know it is dangerous. It is also necessary. I urge you to study the actual LRH tech, especially the materials of the 1950s, and to ignore the dictates of management and the Sea Org. ------ Here are some quotes from LRH tapes of the 1950s. "We in Scientology could put together a group strong enough to run over everything it came to. But then someday, when I and others are gone, it would have to be overthrown and the cry will be 'Auditors of the World Unite, you have nothing to loose but your certs'". - From LRH Tape lecture 15 of the "Anatomy of the Spirit of Man Congress" titled "What Scientology is doing" given on June 6, 1955. "Security is the answer and solution for the fact that nobody in government can communicate"... "An organization takes on a life of its own" ... "The head of something shouldn't tell people what to do, his job is just making sure that the lines and terminals are in place". - from LRH Tape lecture number 18 of the "London Congress on Human Problems", titled "Today's Battle of Britain" given on Oct 8, 1956. ------- For those of you who are reading this who are not Scientologists, please realize that the organization and the subject are two different things. And please recognize that we are currently going through the equivallent of the Spanish Inquisition in Christian History. Just as you would not damn all Christians for the actions of the Lord High Inquisitor, you should not damn all Scientologists for the current atrocious behaviour of their Church. ------------------ Working to create a sane CofS, The Pilot ======================== Subj : Super Scio - Latest CofS Plans THE LATEST COFS PLANS TO GET THE STATS UP: Have you heard about it? Its called: THE GOLDEN AGE OF TECH Its based on a brilliant idea. If you can't get new people to pay for courses, then get the old people to pay for doing all their courses over again. It will now cost each of the existing class 4 auditors another 15,000 dollars to again become a class 4 auditor. Of course that's only for the new "certainty" courses (TRs, study, emeter handling, and each level from 0 to 4). There is also a "forgiveness" step which could easily lead into selling them a few intensives of sec checking as well. Now in all honesty, let me say that it does seem like the courses have been improved a bit. I would say that some smart auditors sat down and tried to make things a bit better. Theres nothing wrong with that. It used to happen all the time when Ron was still issuing materials, and the field auditors would pick up the new bulletins and sometimes even pay for a few days of cramming to catch up on the latest and greatest. But in this case, somebody in management has cognited that it would be a good way to make lots of bucks. It also gives them an excuse to run a loyalty check on all the existing auditors. The auditors are always a bit of a danger. They read too much of Ron's early stuff (like the quote that I'm putting at the end of this post) and they get uppity and rebellious. So in this way, they can filter out all the ones who have stopped listening to management and cancel their certificates and distroy their status before they really start making trouble. Let me quote from Senior C/S International Bulletin No. 168 of 10 May 1996. Entitled "Auditor Reviatalization". "The point is, we have auditors who previously trained without benifit of what the Golden Age of Tech offers, and are consequently less than perfect. And following from that failing, they may have committed some out-tech along the way." ... "This includes both ex-staff and field auditors, as well as all who may have trained in the past ..." "If ethics is out, tech can't go in, and the only way we might fail to make a perfect auditor is by failing to handle the ethics blocks." ... The bulletin includes an 8 step program that is to be done, which includes the following: "5) Auditor Clean-up and Forgiveness step: This step is done even if not routing onto course right now. A. See the Ethics Officer. B. Read ..(various O/W HCOBS etc.). C. Write up your O/Ws, confessing any and all transgressions including ..." (and so on and so forth). The office of Senior C/S International has also issued a "Qual Summons to ALL previously trained auditors" which includes the following: "This is not just a nice idea. It is a matter of standard tech. You MUST report to your org at once and avaial yourself of these breakthroughs". Both of the above documents appear in issue 5 of IHELP's magazine "CAUSE" (undated, but copyright 1997). They are gradually swinging into full gear as far as hounding people about this. I assume that both of the above were written by "Ray Mithoff" although his name doesn't actually appear on them (at least in the IHELP version). Note that the "forgiveness step" ensures that the auditor will blame himself instead of blaming the org for mis-training him. One of the big breakthroughs was the discovery that somebody had added an unnecessary step to the can squeeze which the PC does at the begining of the session. Specifically, they were making the PCs shake their hands out until they were loose and floppy before squeezing the cans (like is done in the emeter drill). This was actually introduced by some Sea Org dummies back around 1980 or so (it would be very funny if Ray Mithoff himself were actually the source of this one). Occasionally this was annoying. But it wasn't exactly a key point. And experienced auditors who hadn't been browbeaten knew better anyway. Its actually a matter of judegment. If the PC is new and doesn't know how to hold or squeeze the cans, you show him (as in the emeter drill), if he does know, then you leave him alone. The only way they could have trouble with something this simple and obvious is if they continually kicked the student around until he couldn't think for himself but only did things by rote. And that is what happened. They also have added some nice practical drills, mocking up situations and having the student figure out what he's going to do about them. Back when I was first training, the instructors would push for this sort of understanding (although they didn't have a specific set of rote drills). Then came the Class 8 course and the loss of free thought. At that time, if you asked any question of the "What if ..." variety, you always got the answer "There is an infinity of wrongness and only one rightness" and they just wanted you to do the steps on the checksheet and stop "Q&Aing" or worrying about stuff that wouldn't happen. This, of course, made rotten auditors, so then somebody got bright and issed a series of BTBs (Board Technical Bulletins - this was how they issued HCOBs that were not written by Ron in the early 1970s) which gave a series of practical drills that were very much like the new certainty drills. Eventually of course, these were cancelled because they were not by Ron. But the idea of mocking up and solving the various difficulties that you could run into while auditing was now back in vogue and training went well on this basis for a good while. But of course Sea Org "toughness" and training by force gradually began to creep back in, distroying free thought and making robots. I think that the current training is a mixed bag, depending on who is supervising the course. When somebody was trying to sell me on these auditor certainty levels, I mentioned this business about having done similar drills in the 1970s. The answer was "But those were BTBs and these are HCOBs". And I replied "Whats the difference? You do realize that Ron has been dead for over a decade and that these are not LRH HCOBs, don't you?". He wouldn't answer. I really wonder what they're telling these guys. I haven't attended any confidential briefings recently, so I don't know the latest story. The tale about all the stuff Ron left behind that hadn't gotten issued yet is begining to wear a bit thin. That only leaves telepathic channeling (a'la Koos) or an 11 year old reincarnated LRH hidden in the underground vaults, neither of which seems very credible to me. It should be obvious that Mithoff and company are originating these things, but that might not be acceptible to the membership because the trust level is not very high (the same people who brought you "barking" and "six month sec checks" now have a wonderful new "discovery" to aid you progress up the bridge). They actually want to get rid of any of the older auditors that they have lost control of. Its been too long since they had a nice clean purge. The new solo nots certainty course also gives them a chance to go after the solo nots completions, collect some more bucks, and force them to overrun some more. That's deadly. I have said this before. NOTS is not the basic source of human abberation. If you do run it to completion and then keep blaming stuff on it, you are going to assign the wrong source to every abberation remaining on the case, and that's enough to sink anybody. What's more, this same filtering business will let them kick out any Solo Nots completions that are not completely toeing the party line so that they wouldn't set a bad example for the rest of the membership. ------- And now a word from Ron: "People look on this as being 'my science'. Yeah, I own all of your postulates. I bought them one day at a raffle. Like the devil I did! About the only thing, as I told you the other day, that I have done is organize and put together, and maybe I can look a little bit better than anybody else has been looking for a long time, and so I can see it. But if you can see it, well , so help me Pete, it's yours. Got that?" From LRH tape lecture 1MACC-26 of 25 Nov 59, titled "Individuation". ------- SOME MORE POINTS ABOUT THE ONGOING BATTLE: Watch out for dirty tricks at the DM deposition. Like maybe a couple of OSA plants pretending to be antis and assaulting DM when he enters the building. That would give him an excuse to run away and stall some more. Also in the news is earthlink's new anti-spam campaign. As you have probably noticed, they don't really give a damn about get-rich-quick advertisements. This is a shore story to build up their credibility and protect their reputation before they launch a massive cancellation campaign against anti-Scientology postings. Has anybody heard anything about earthlink visiting other ISPs or news servers to install anti-Spam controls or to get help in tracking down "Spammers" (which really means annonymous ARS posters)? Concerning MSH (Mary Sue Hubbard) or any of her children or any old timers who are still high up in the command structure: If you do have access to any of these people (or can simply put a note in their mailbox), please push them to get on the internet and explain about ARS and ACT and searching for things on dejanews. Although there is much here that they would find upsetting and hostile, there are also things that they should know which appear in these newsgroups. The upper eschelons have long suffered from heavily filtered communication lines, false data, and viewpoints that are heavily interiorized into one side of the conflict. It is highly unlikely that MSH & family would support any actions that were dangerous to the CofS. This is how they were browbeaten in the first place, namely that any resistance to DM, Starkey, etc would endanger the orgs. But it has reached a point where it is obvious that the ruling hierarchy have themselves placed the CofS in danger and are running it into the ground. On that basis, she might indeed take action. But the most you could expect from her would be a reformist position, to eliminate the various abusive and unethical practices (the kind of things that I have been pushing for). Actually, I would be pleasantly surprised if she could even support the amount of reform that I have been proposing. I can only hope that there has been enough eveidence to convince her that there were flagrant mistakes in policy so that she can honestly consider reforming the operation for the sake of preserving the tech and the CofS itself. As most ARS readers already know, I personally consider that the tech was brilliant but that much of the later policy (except for a few smart things such as the Data Series) is self distructive. Working to create a sane CofS, The Pilot ======================== Subj : Super Scio reply to MICHAEL VOYTINSKY On Apr 19, 1997 "Michael Voytinsky" wrote: > The Pilot wrote in article > ... >> ASKING ARS FOR HELP > > > At the time of me reading this, the www cite you refer to as containing > information about reform of Scientology at > http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/pub/ss/index.html does not seem to be > there any more. Sorry, its an ftp site and therefore the address is ftp://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/pub/ss/index.html >In any case I have a few questions for you - hope you do not mind. > > In my reply to on of your other posts I hastily assumed that your post was > just another attempt at posting good theta by the CoS. Perhaps I was > overhasty in this conclusion. Yes, definitely overhasty. I do post "good theta" about Scientology and the auditing tech because I have had good results and I believe in the higher purposes of truth and freedom and spiritual awareness. But I also post "bad theta" about Scientology management and church policies because they are screwed up beyond belief and act in a manner that is 180 degrees in reverse to those very same higher purposes. For example, the Scientology tech says "communicate" but the policys say "disconnect", "don't talk without issue authority", and never say anything critical of Scientology, LRH, or the organization. So I follow the technical basics, and find myself at war with Scientology management. My primary purpose on this newsgroup is to reach other Scientolgists who are lurking and encourage them towards reform. It is not possible to do this on internal lines because the comm lines are tightly controlled and any attempt at reforming the subject is cosidered to be a suppressive act. Most Scientologists want to see a safe, ethical, honest, and non-abusive organization. Ron said "Scientology makes a safe environment". But right now it is a police state. A few can live with this (because they rightly feel that the tech is important and use this to justify putting on blinders as to what is really happening) and a few even enjoy it (those are the real SPs) but most of the membership (at least 95 percent) is actually hiding on the sidelines and hoping that things will change. Every public (non-staff) Scientologist that I know has an answering machine and never ever picks up the phone without hearing who it is. They are filtering out calls from registrars, pushy FSMs, Sea Org recruiters, etc. They are afraid to say anything nasty to the reg because they might get written up to ethics, so if they do accidentally pick up the phone, they end up making stupid and innane excuses as to why they can't pay for their next service right now. I heard one story of a girl who "accidentally" tossed her checkbook down the incinerator shute just before a Sea Org missionaire was supposed to drop by. The missionaire ran down to the incinerator room, got the super to turn off the incinerator, and rooted around in the unburnt garbage for two hours to find that checkbook and push her into giving him some money (which she did). I heard this from the missionaire himself. He was presenting this as a "win" in "how to make it go right" when "the person's bank was resisting going clear". These lurking Scientologists don't dare post anonymously even if they are totally safe in doing so because they are sure that it would come up in their next sec check. Just reading, on the other hand, is passive and most Scientolgists don't really believe that it can be an overt no matter what the church says. And almost everybody in Scientology knows that the meter reacts on mental charge and on what you really feel is an overt, it does not work well as a pure lie detector. It will never react if you really feel good about what you did. My secondary purpose is to let ARS know that most Scientologists are not the fanatical robots that currently guard and control the organization. I want to see a bad organization reformed. I don't want to see my friends swamped in the tidal wave of hatred that that bad organization is currently creating in the world. My tertiary purpose is to get stuff out into the freezone. I have a lot of friends there too. I have never disconnected from anybody since 1969. I'm enough of a tech and policy lawyer to talk my way out of the occasional "knowlege reports" about how I still talk to "squirrels". Since I don't believe in religious wars (church vs freezone) and I don't consider it an overt, it never comes up on sec checks. I have never stepped into a freezone org because there are OSA agents who infiltrate and report on freezone membership and I don't think that I could talk my way out of that one. But I have always worked to discourage fair game and anti-squirrel activities ever since I saw the Sea Org and Class 8 insanities in the late 1960s. I fully expect to be cast out into the freezone as soon as the org figures out who I am. Unless, of course, I can force them to reform. But reform movements take time to grow. So I think of myself as planting seeds which might still ripen even after I am gone. But the longer I remain on here anonymously, the more Scientologists I can reach. And the more posative I can be about the tech (but I must remain scrupulously honest about it, and it is not perfect like the org claims), the more likely it is that the Scientologists will listen to me instead of filtering me out as another of those evil "Squirrels" who have "betrayed Ron". In case you don't know, a "Squirrel" is the derogatory name by which the org refers to freezoners ("Squirrels gather nuts"). >I certainly would have no objections to the sort of "kinder, gentler > Scientology" that you propose. Its a free country, and as long as you do > not lie to people in order to obtain lots of their money and do other > similarly out-ethics overt acts, I am not going to be too concerned simply > because you have affinity for kooky stuff. My point exactly. The org doesn't have to be at war with the rest of the world. America is certainly built on religious freedom and is very tolerant of all sorts of "New Age" stuff. >However, I am not so certain if Ron intended Scientology to be kind and > gentle. The information available about him paints a rather unpleasant > image - I am sure you are familiar with the usual accusations. The > official Church of Scientology responses create more questions then they > answer, and do not address the actual accusations. Even if one tenths of > the information about goings on the "Apollo" alone are true, Ron was >seriously out-ethics himself. Yes, this is one of our serious problems. I firmly believe that the Ron of the 1950s would be one hundred percent in agreement with what I'm trying to do. And most of the Scientology tech comes from the 1950s (2200 lectures out of a total of 2900). But something went very wrong in the later days. If you compare 1950s lectures on organization (such as LCHP-18 "Todays Battle of Britian") with modern policy, you will see that they are 180 degrees in opposition to each other. Since he himself said that attempting to research the mind is booby trapped and dangerous, I like to think that he sacrificed himself in his valient efforts to find a way out of the trap. And so the kind, gentle, and fun filled Ron of the 1950s turned into the raging psychotic of the later days. Many of those closest to him in the later times believed this to be the case and so they covered up and excused his various dramatizations. Most of the people who were there are not speaking out for this exact reason. The people at the top were often extremely bright and able. You don't really think that they were so Stupid as to believe that a super clear and OT like Ron was supposed to be could actually be bothered by a little dust or smells in the air (especially if he was a heavy smoker like Ron). But they maintain a wall of silence to protect the membership from the terrible truth because they really do believe in the tech and they really do believe that it was research errors which eventually pushed him over the edge rather than any inherent evil purposes. For this reason they will not speak up even if they are out of the Sea Org and hiding on the sidelines. They just sit there and feel sad about the whole thing, hanging paralized between the dream and the nightmare it became. > The "Fair Game" policy was Ron's creation. The high cost of Scientology > "training" was in accordance with his wishes. The extremely aggressive > response to anything even remotely resembling an attack on the church is in > accordance with the policies he set forth. Yes, he began to go bad in the 1960s. We see the begining signs of it in these mid 60s policies. The endlessly screwed up goals listing of 1962 to 1964 may have played a part in this. But its only little hints along with lots of good tech until the OT 3 research and the formation of the Sea Org. Then its nightmare on elm street. But the impact didn't hit the outer orgs until 1968-1969 so I really did have a few good years in that "kinder, gentler Scientology" which really did once exist and which might someday exist again. > I will not even go into the > factual errors that his writings make from time to time. (eg. the Piltdown > man in "History of Man", not to mention the clams). In the sane early days, it was always promoted as a research line and he didn't pretend to be perfect. He even told the students to make a careful distintion between his own personal foibles such as his dislike of psychiatry and the actual subject of Scientology which was an attempt to figure out the mechanics of the mind and spirit. The clam and all that stuff were accurate records of things that some PCs were finding in past life engrams. But the research continued and it was all later found to be implanted pictures used to convince thetans that they really had evolved from meat bodies. But Hubbard never revised things after they were issued, feeling instead that he should leave it all there as his trail of research because he did originally think that other researchers would have to follow him. Now we have a fanatical membership who do not actually know the technology. They read the History of Man book and really do believe all that clam stuff and don't even know that its all invalidated by later research. By all means make clam jokes and snap away. Maybe somebody will wake up and smell the coffee. Its not going to bother anybody who actually understands the tech (but they are so very very few). > In the light of this, do you think that your vision of CoS is in agreement > with the Commodore's vision? As far as that later Sea Org Commodore goes, maybe not. But if you're talking about Ron at his peak in the 1950s, then my answer is yes, absolutely. >I am also curious on your reasons on believing my some of the more unusual > claims of CoS teachings are true - eg. the events described in OT3. This > is not a point on which I will insist however - its a free country. It was always the wildest stuff that was true. We almost always failed on the mundane and consistant things. DMSMH (Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health) is totally accurate and demonstrable as to the wild phenomena that you can get into. After a quick scan of the book, you can put somebody on the couch and within 5 minutes have them screaming as you toss them into the middle of the worst incident that they have experienced in this lifetime. I know because I did that to my mother before I ever walked into a Scientology organization. It sold both of us on the reality of engrams, but we weren't about to try it again without a lot more study and understanding. But as to all the theories and claims, its a mess. If you have studied modern Dianetics, you know that there is no way in hell that you could ever make a clear by running prenatal incidents in the current lifetime according to the theories in DMSMH. The whole subject is like that. Wild phenomena. Unbelievable things happening. But its like walking blindfolded through a swamp. A stable footing here, a quicksand pit there, and so on. I look on the whole thing as a research effort, attempting to map out the uncharted regions of the mind and spirit. Some of it might be wrong or only half true, like that business about the clams. I think that the research is far from complete. One of my big objections to the current organization is that research is forbidden and they pretend to have all the answers. > Michael Voytinsky > michaelv@igs.net > Ottawa Ontario Canada > http://www.igs.net/~michaelv/ I did want to address one of the questions from your earlier ("overly hasty") post. The double >> are from my post that you were querying (the whole thing is too long to repeate here). >> As to auditing, the biggest of the early gains for me was >> finding out that I was using "They're stupid" as a computation >> to make myself right and others wrong. It was obvious and yet > >Are certain that you would have never figured this out without Scientology? > >You are describing something that many people figure out without >Scientology - and again I would appreciate more details as to how you >figured this out. Actually I doubt that most people ever figure this one out without some help. We're talking here about a sort of defense mechanism by which somebody "proves" their superiority and justifies their overts. In other words, being smart, they blame everything on other's stupidity, or being good, they blame things on the evilness of others. Whats wrong is not the posative ability but the negative attack on other people, and because this is used to justify one's actions, the idea gets fixed in place. Because the person uses it to explain why he's kicking other people around (saying that they're nerds or they're worthless or whatever), it becomes impossible to talk to them about this because they will defend the idea very heavily (proving how "right" the idea is). So its generally a wast of time to tell somebody what they're doing in this regards. All you can do is hold up a mirror, so to speak, and let them look for themselves. The auditing question used is: "In this lifetime, what do you use to make others wrong". Unfortunately, the real answer is often too heavy to come up right off the bat, so the preclear needs to list various answers until they get down to the basic one. The whole thing might just fall apart when they finally confront it, or you might have to find out how they have been using it to make others wrong and to dominate other people. In Scientology, this is called a "service computation" or a "service facsimile" (a facsimile is a picture) because the person considers it to be of service to them in surviving. It is usually abbreviated as "service fac". Just think of an evangalist who has got everything he has ever done justified by saying that "They're Sinners" (or "they're suckers" depending on the evangalist in question). You'd have a terrible time getting them to face this mechanism. The person's basic service fac is hard to get because it goes all the way back to childhood. By first grade I had firmly concluded that all teachers were stupid and never doubted that fact until I ran the above process. But there will be lighter, easier computations locked up on top of the basic ones. Something formulated in late life might be easy to spot, especially the shallow justifications that might be encouraged by a group. Obviously, the idea that "they're wogs" is used as a service fac by Scientology as a group. So here is a question for any Scientologists who might be lurking here and reading this post: "How does the idea that 'they're wogs' justify lying to people?" I can imagine the answers going on and on about how its "for their own good" and "they wouldn't understand" and about how important it is to clear the planet etc. But in the end, I would expect this one to wind down to the correct conclusion which is that this really doesn't justify anything at all. Best, The Pilot ======================== Subj : Super Scio reply to Joe Harrington On 17 Apr 97, Joe Harrington wrote (in response to my earlier post "Super Scio - XEMU's Last Name"): >The Pilot wrote: >> > >> I wrote up my own description of Incident 2 in Super Scio #6A >> <14 of 32>. See the Pilot materials at: ftp://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/pub/ss/index.html >> Or search Dejanews for "Super Scio", or pick up the ss## files >> from Homer's archive at lightlink.com. >> >> ------------- >> >> Best, >> >> The Pilot > >Pilot, > >I support you call for internal reform and all the points you make, plus >a few of my own. However I realized some time ago that it was impossible >to effect this from the inside. Scientology will not be a viable option >for people until its membership assumes ownership of the Church and rids >it of the Hubbard personna and the sycophants who engineered a takeover >of it. I may be tilting at windmills. Perhaps I'll end up soured and disillusioned. But the attempt has to be made. And if I don't succeed, maybe I will at least have laid a foundation upon which some future reformer can build. One of my nightmares is a far future in which the CofS rules the world and its followers chant the axioms ritualistically but the language has changed and they don't know what the words mean. And they burn any real OTs or spiritually aware people at the stake because they are committing sacralige against a tech that the CofS no longer understands. This may seem impossible, but I think that it has happened before. Consider the following, which might just be my own wierd idea, but which could possibly be true: Lets just say, for a second, that NOTS is real and that the events described in the Gospel are true. Doesn't that mean that Christ must have figured out and mastered the basic Solo Nots technique and taught it to his desciples? Its not really all that difficult, and if you had faith and strong intention, you could probably just ask "who are you" until you got rid of the "demon". If you look at books like "The Acts of The Apostiles", you will see that "there was much casting out of demons" and it seemed like all the more advanced Christians could do it quite easily. Then comes the persecution by Nero and the counter strike of the Christians going underground and taking over the Roman government. And in the process, the technology was lost. And the books of the Bible were heavily edited to make them acceptible as the state religion. They got rid of the reincarnation business because it makes the people too difficult to control - so the Nestorian Christians and the Gnostic Christians and various other sects that wouldn't give up the older ideas were stamped out. And Christ's story of the child being born blind because of his sins in his past lives is alter into that business about original sin. Now the priests wave crosses and sprinkle holy water and chant in Latin. But no demons are ever exorcised. And Christ certainly didn't carry a cross (except at the end) nor did he have holy water, and he didn't even speak Latin. But he sure had something. And whatever it was that he had, it worked. And what they have now doesn't work. This loss of technology was the price that Christianity paid in exchange for taking over the Roman empire. And after that, they took anybody who tried to really figure things out and called them witches and burnt them at the stake. Eventually the Catholic Church even banned white magic (about 1000 years ago) and eventually even saw to the distruction of Constantinople and its vast library of source materials. And with that, they lost any remaining OT drills that might have survived from Christ's time. There are lots of legends of early saints walking on water or talking to the birds. I don't think that it was because they were such good people (we have lots of good and self-sacrificing people now), I think its because they drilled things. But the drills have been lost and we ain't seen any walking on water for a long time now. Although most Christians would probably consider me some sort of heritic, and despite the fact that Hubbard himself didn't care much for Christ, I do still consider myself a follower of Christ as well as Hubbard (and a follower of Buddah too, for that matter), and I accept all of them as my personal saviors in the sense of teachers that gide me towards the wisdom that might save me and others from the trap into which we are sinking. >You might want to check the URL you cited as I got a file not found >error message when I clicked it on. It should have been ftp: instead of http: - I corrected it above. >Joe Affinity, The Pilot PS. If the early Christians had thought that Christ was the Son of God, they wouldn't have needed to hold an ecumenical concil centuries after his death to decide that fact. If we don't reform Scientolgy now, in a few generations they will hold a similar council and deify Hubbard, and with that the last of the tech will dissapear and they will simply pray for the Hubbard's Second Comming. ======================== Subj : Super Scio - reply to David Gerard (much snipping of my stuff and David's reply) On Apr 19, 1997, David Gerard (fun2@SPAMBLOCK.arscc.com) responded to my earlier posting (SUPER SCIO Asking Ars For Help) as follows: > You'd know better than me, but I suspect even the knowledge of > the existence of an operating Free Zone would be utterly mind-blowing > for many people in the CoS. Particularly the ones who are into the > tech but not the control methods of the CoS ... > > Simple knowledge of the existence of the Free Zone (in its infinite > variety) would be enough, I suspect. They all "know" about the Freezone. But that's not what they call it. They call it "Squirreldom". They hang posters around the org showing the cute little beasties gathering nuts with a big red slash and circle over them. The party line is that the Squirrels (Freezoners) are worse than psychs. The psychs are only evil enemies whereas the Squirrels are TRAITORS. Now lets say that somebody in the Freezone should die. Now you and I know that this even happens in stamp collecting clubs. People do die occasionally. But if they should die in the freezone, its because of the Squirrel Processes that the Freezoners ran on them. And heaven forbid if it was a person who did not do their OT levels at the org because then the org will say that the person got sick and died because the Freezone showed them Confidential Materials which will "KILL YOU IF YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THEM". They will pull this trick even if the person was already dying and was therefore offloaded by the org as an illegal PC. If they then go to the Freezone for help but die anyway, its all the Freezoners fault. When Miscavige's mother-in-law comitted suicide, the rumor that was intentionally spread (but not put in writing, just told verbally at briefings) was that David Mayo had killed her by running Squirrel OT3 processes on her. A lot of the early NOTS PCs had trouble. They were all told later that it was because they had the "Bad Mayo Nots" instead of the Good LRH Nots which is now being delivered. Quite a few of the people in the Freezone ended up there because they were used as scapegots for various screw-ups. The membership sees them out there and believes that those are the guys responsible for the failures in the subject. Many of the membership are unhappy with the orgs and the way things are run. They sit off on the sidelines and wait for things to get better. They all know about the freezone, or rather, they think that they do and are full of false data about what is going on there. Some are afraid of the Freezone and believe all the orgs horror stories. Some are simply afraid of losing their friends and possibly even their family or job or business. Some are scared that OSA will come after them, especially the ones who themselves practiced Fair Game in the past and now realize that it could be used on them if they leave. Many who would support reforms in policy and management are horrified at the idea of technical reforms and look at Mayo as some kind of Lucifer. There are still a few old timers around in key postions. And there are many auditors who can think for themselves even if they have not been in for very many years. These people see all the flaws but hang on as I have. They stay for the sake of their friends and for the sake of a dream that is more important to them than the nightmare reality. The only chance for reform lies with these people. And it is a slim chance. But if it should happen, it would turn everything around. > You really should get a Web page yourself, you know. Of course. And I even have the skill and the resourses to put one up quite easily (I work as a computer guru). But the second I do that, the org is going to find out who I am. Within a week I will be declared suppressive, be sued, be dead agented, lose half my friends, either lose my family or put them in an impossible position, and possibly even get raided. Now maybe I'm jumping at shadows. Maybe I'm not number one on their hit list. Maybe they'll just come to me and say that they'll leave me along if I just shut up about all this reform stuff. Maybe I could just quietly drift off into the Freezone without a lot of trouble, but then I'd have to take down the webpage, so it wouldn't have done much good. Or maybe I'd go to war and really start blasting. But then I'd obviously be a suppresive squirrel and the membership wouldn't listen to me. Even now I'm treading on the edge. I say a lot of nice things about Ron and Scientology and the Tech. Without that, the average member would decide that I'm just another SP who hasn't been found out yet and they would blindly tune out everything I'm saying as being Entheta. > All that will be left of the CoS in ten years will be the free zone. I certainly hope not, for two reasons. First of all, I personally believe that a reformed CofS would be a good and valuable thing to have. Of course many on this newsgroup would disagree, so just chalk this one up as my own pet foible. But there is another more frightening reason. There is a hard core of fanatics who will defend the subject no matter what happens. Depending on how it is done, there might also be an enourmous number of fence sitters who do not really like current management or policy but who will go ape-shit if they think that their religion is persecuted and banned. They will suddenly realize that all this crap about the evil suppressives and the world conspiracy is REALLY TRUE. Right now we have a Scientology which is analagous to the corrupt and abusive Catholic church at the time of the Protestant Reformation. The hope is that under pressure both from within and from without, it will either reform or splinter. It could even be forced to unbundle much as AT&T was dismembered. It would not be bad to force the top command structure to divest itself of all control and authority and leave each organization totally autonimous (with full delivery of all of the "formerly secret" levels) since that would end its ability to launch heavy attacks. The members would go to the orgs that treated them better and offered lower prices and better service (org A insists on sec checks but org B doesn't so you go to org B). The free competition (with the Freezone competing equally) would soon force them to clean up their act. This might be done by means of monopoly and anti-trust laws. And this would actually be good for the CofS because they would no longer have all their chickens in one basket (no single point of failure). But a truely devistating blow (and I agree that it could happen) would change the senario to that of the Christians under Nero. The early Christians were not heavily persecuted by Rome. And they remained a small sect until Nero blamed them for burning down the city and started persecuting them. Then they went underground (literally - see "The Church in the Catacombs"). It was not long before Christianity was the Roman state religion. You don't smash a large and powerful group of fanatics. It doesn't really work. Instead you reform or enlighten or curb their fanaticism in some manner. Right now most of the membership will not do anything really viscious or illegal (Sea Org members under threat of being RPFed are an exception). But members of a persecuted religion will. The various clandestine operations were conducted by small numbers of Sea Org and GO people. Can you imagine how bad it would be if a whole damn army of them went underground? Now don't get me wrong here. I am horrified by this idea. In such a conflict I would side with the Freezone and attempt to preserve as much of Ron's tech there as possible. But the fanatics would be planting bombs in Freezone centers instead of just sueing them. Furthermore, this kind of stuff would pervert the religion beyond belief. I think that most of the good tech would be lost and only the insanities would remain. Therefore, I'd much rather see a reform or a splintering or an unbundling rather than a crushing blow which might rebound to everyone's detriment. Sorry if I got carried away here. This is a hot topic for me. Sincerly, The Pilot ======================== Subj : Super Scio - THE COSMOLOGY OF SCIENTOLOGY On 1 May 97, Karin Spaink (kspaink@xenu.org) posted a message about Richard Pepin's movie 'The Silencers'. She correctly realized that it was Scientology inspired (its full of Marcabians) and then mistakenly labled her post "OT3 plot in recent SF movie". This is as bad as confusing modern Italy with the anchient Roman Empire and wondering why Julius Caesar was not one of the characters in "Arivaderchi Roma". Obviously the ARSCC has fallen down on its job. They focused in on just one tree (albiet an excessively priced one) and missed the forrest. For this I expect that at least a few of them will end up in the ARSCCer's RPF making liscence plates for unregistered UFOs. Except for the above, this is not a joke and I'm gonna keep my own wild ideas out of it too. The following is the straight stuff on Scientology's sci fi belief system with only a little bit of interpretation on my part. THE COSMOLOGY OF SCIENTOLOGY L. Ron Hubbard gave over 3000 lectures and less than a hundred of these have any mention of space opera and whole track information. And in most cases its only a few sentances tossed in to illustrate a point or to generate a bit of excitement. Only a small number of lectures have long discussions about whole track. These include the following: HCL-19 10 Mar 52 History of Man series I & II (in new R&D 10) HCL-20 10 Mar 52 History of Man series III & IV (in new R&D 10) T88-12 25 Jun 52 Tech 88 & the Whole Track (in R&D 11) T88-13 25 Jun 52 Tech 88 & the Whole Track cont. (in R&D 11) T88-16 26 Jun 52 Theta & Genetic Lines T88-17 27 Jun 52 Confusion, Action of Track as a result of energy behavior SOP-8A 30 Oct 52 The Role of Earth 2ACC-26A 17 Dec 53 Space Opera 1MACC-30 27 Nov 59 Principal Incidents on the Whole Track SHSBC-105 25 Jan 62 Whole Track SHSBC-265 16 May 63 The Time Track SHSBC-266 21 May 63 The Helatrobus Implants SHSBC-268 23 May 63 State of OT SHSBC-281 9 Jul 63 The Free Being SHSBC-287 18 Jul 63 Errors in Time SHSBC-288 23 Jul 63 Between Lives Implants SHSBC-291 6 Aug 63 Auditing Comm Cycles Note that I have used the original lecture series numbers (as given in all old references such as the complete tape list in Flag Info Letter 148 of 18 Apr 78). They have been renumbering stuff in recent times, mostly to simplify and straighten out the numbering, but also to cover the holes left by dropping out an occasional lecture. Note that running whole track engrams with Dianetics was only done in 1952, 1958, and 1963. Since the data is supposed to be based on what was coming up in PC's sessions, most of the longer whole track discussions were given around these time periods. Intensive use of modern Dianetics only began in 1969, and he had pretty much stopped talking by then. One would think that vast amounts of data would have been dug up, but if so, its burried in research notes that have never been made public. ---------------------------- ALL WHOLE TRACK MATERIAL WAS LABLED AS "PARA-SCIENTOLOGY". Scientologists are NOT required to believe it. It was given out with a "this is what I found, lets see what you can find" type of attitude. The only thing expected of a modern Dianetic auditor or PC is that whole track incidents need to be run to get good results with Dianetics. There is no requirement as to what the PC is expected to find in those incidents. The auditor is supposed to run whatever the PC comes up with, and NO repairs or corrections are done based on the contents of the incidents that are run. The ONLY exception is OT 3. This is the one and only case where Ron pushed a specific incident that was to be run. With this in mind, I will present what is suggested (NOT insisted upon) in the various tapes. Note that there are two different areas. "Current" Events (dealing with groups that are still active such as Marcab) and Anchient History (dealing with empires long gone such as the one discussed in OT3). --------------------------- "CURRENT" EVENTS: This is just my label for his talks about groups that are still active. Some of this stuff goes back tens of thousands of years. Supposedly there are two space empires in the area. These are Marcab and Espinol. Supposedly this solar system is claimed by Espinol but Marcab initiated its recent use as a prison planet. Once the prison machinery was set up, both empires and occasionally some other empires further away have all started dumping people here as a convienient place to get rid of undesirables. Note that Marcab itself is a star in the constellation of Pegasus. This is in the astronomy books. That recent scifi movie called "The Silencers" had Marcab located somewhere in Orion, so it must have come from some half trained Scientologist who has no knowlege of astronomy (and he also has the Pliades as a system of 7 suns instead of the gigantic star cluster described in the astronomy books). Espinol supposedly has its capital circling one of the tail stars of the big dipper. According to a talk given by Quintin Hubbard back in the 1970s, the whole thing began with a crazy religious group called "The Cult of the Snake" which was active in the Marcabian empire. Ron talks about this cult a few times, but never gives a lot of details. Marcab was persecuting the cult, and so they decided to pull a mass exodus (much like the Mormons did). Although this solar system was claimed as part of Espinol's territory, its use was banned because of the OT3 incident which had happened here long ago. So it was unoccupied, and Mars was at that time inhabitable. So the cult settled on Mars. Eventually Marcab followed the cult here and Mars was burnt off and became a dead world. According to Ron, Earth was "colonized" about 10,000 years ago. This is the time period of Atlantis, which Ron sais had space opera level technology. There is no clear desciption in the tapes that I am familiar with, but apparently there is some sort of war between Marcab and Espinol. Eventually it seems like Marcab has hidden bases on Mars and Espinol is hiding in the asteroid belt. Atlantis is distroyed and the cult of the snake ends up hiding out in Egypt. And, since Marcab has to setup between lives implant equipment here anyway (to keep the cult from reincarnating back in their empire), they start using this as a good place to dump all their undesirables. Besides the empires, there are also invader forces which are sweeping in from another universe (possibly coming in through the horsehead nebula and trying to grab territory of their own). The 4th invader force sends a task force here because it seems like a nice undefended system to establish a beach head in this sector. They don't count on the Marcabian and Espinolish forces which are hidding from each other in this system and they get shot at and go to ground on Mars where they also establish hidden bases. In recent (a few thousand years ago) times, the 5th invader comes here for the same reason. They go into Earth orbit and land a battalion in the Himalayas to set up a base. Then the various other space fleets start shooting at them and the 5th invader goes to ground on Venus. The 5th invader have insect like bodies and enjoy super high tempratures. But even they need to keep their domes air conditioned in the extreme heat of Venus. Interestingly enough, there is a 1952 auditing demo tape where Ron asks a PC (who is running some of this stuff) how hot it is outside of the domes, and he gets an answer in the thousands of degrees. It is much hotter than the normal scientific estimates of that time and closer to the modern measurements that suprised scientists when we finally got a probe to Venus. This leaves us with 4 different mutually hostile groups in the solar system, none of them daring to show themselves for fear that the others will blast their asses off. According to Ron, some of the suff in the Bible is due to skirmishes being fought between these groups in Biblical times. As for the 5th Invader Force batallion that landed in the Himalayas, they were wiped out to the last man. Ron was the commanding officer. He sais that when he first woke up in the between lives area, he really raised some hell before they managed to subdue him. Supposedly there are many members of 4th and 5th invader force units reincarnating here on Earth caught up in the prison planet machinery along with the "criminals" (usually just non-conformists and protesters) of Marcab and (to a lesser degree) Espinol. I think that the Marcabians are supposed to be human (fedora hats etc). He doesn't describe anything like the current UFO space aliens, maybe these are supposed to be from Espinol (which he doesn't say much about). Note that there is some occasional confusion about which group is which, especially as this was coming from PC session data which is often vague. Early on (before I'd heard so many tapes) I used to wonder if he was renaming things (Marcab and Espinol being new names for the 4th and 5th invader, or Espinol being a new name for Marcab etc.), but he talks often enought about there being two active empires working in this solar system, and there is at least one tape (1MACC-30) where he talks about the 4th & 5th invader and also about Marcab and also about a Space Command (which might be Espinol's star fleet) in the asteroid belt. Note that he mentions that the asteroid belt is the most important area stategicly because you can launch ships from asteroid bases without having to climb out of a gravity well. ---------------------------- ANCHIENT HISTORY The Galactic Confederacy discussed in OT3 is the only small and relatively recent (only 75 million years ago) empire that he bothers to give any details about. Aside from that, he just says that there have been lots of "recent" empires and that they collapse relatively quickly because they implant their citizens. But he does talk about some extrememly large, old, long lasting civilizations that were big enough and/or around long enough and were noteworthy enough to show up on many people's cases. The Galactic Empire was huge and extrememly long lasting. Supposedly it was a nice place until the very end when they began implanting their citizens (which is what brought about their collapse). Arslycus was an extrememly large city in space which made slaves of everyone. When it shattered, everyone "Fell through the sky". Helatrobus tried to dominate the galaxy by the use of "religious implants". ------------------------------ OTHER THINGS He mentions that there are at least 3 universes above us, including "Home Universe". He mentions "Magic Track". He even mentions a "Mud" universe that is below us in the sequence of universes. But he doesn't say much about other universes. He also describes lots of little incidents like the ones in History of Man and he issued quite a few implant platens. He also discusses "Cat People", "Snake People" etc. I'm not sure if these are anchient or current. Possibly they represent the other more distant empires that dump people here occasionally to get rid of them. Cat people are humanoid with a cat like appearance (fur etc.) and you can tell that you have a real cat people incident because it will contain "Flying Cats" (this was from one of the 2nd ACC lectures, but I don't remember which one). There are also the various ideas about between lives implants, etc. All in all, its still less than ten percent of the materials of Scientology. ------------------------------ Note that all of the above is pretty much based on Ron's opinion (or in one case, Quintins) rather than mine, but might be slightly colored by my attempts to pull together all of the various stories into a cohesive whole. Note that Captain Bill, after he was declared suppressive, also issued various whole track and galactic politics type stuff, both under his own name and as "Elron Elray" aka L. Ron Hubbard, who he was supposedly channelling. Some of this stuff can be found in the CAPTBILL section of Homer's archives at lightlink.com. The possibly bogus OT8 reads like it probably belongs amoung these galactic patrol materials. As far as I know, Ron never mentioned the Galactic Patrol in any of his tapes or bulletins. It was pretty much a Captain Bill exclusive. However there is a novel of that title in Doc Smith's Lensman series. Of all the things mentioned above, only Marcab is well known among the membership. This is because the Auditing Comm Cycles tape, which is mostly about Marcab and Earth the prision planet, is part of the Level 0 Academy Training. There is also some slight knowlege of the invader force stuff because it is mentioned in History of Man. Whereas the OT3 stuff is only known to OTs, and the remaining SHSBC tapes (between lives implants, etc.) are generally only known to Briefing Course students (Miscavige might really have never heard that tape). ---------------------------- I gave my own slant on some of these things in the large series of SUPER SCIO postings that I put out earlier this year. So now you've got Ron's opinion (above) and my opinion and you know where to find Captain Bill's opinion if you're interested. But I wouldn't bet money on any of it. Its all built on very vague and tenuous session data from people who usually have trouble remembering what they had for breakfast last week. Ron compared this stuff to having a navigation chart where there is a big shaded area indicating where the coastline might be if you're lucky. Its not quite right to call Scientology a UFO cult. Its more of an anti-UFO cult because they think that the UFOs (especially Marcab and 4th invader) are the bad guys. And Ron is probably AWOL from the 5th invader and says that he is on the "most wanted" lists of the police forces in many different space empires. -------------------------- A few quotes: "This society belongs nominally to the Espinol United Stars. This is Sun 12 and it is one tiny pinpoint". from The Free Being - 9 Jul 63. (SHSBC 281 renumbered SHSBC 309 - the renumbering is higher because of merging the TV demos into the SHSBC numbering scheme). "Some of the incidents of 'What To Audit' are actual, some are out of that Darwinian implant, see?" from Errors in Time SHSBC-287 renumbered SHSBC-316 of 18 Jul 63. Note that What to Audit is the original title of History of Man. "Every once in a while you get mad at government on this planet, when in actual fact you're mad at the Marcabian government. And there's a great deal of confusion. Every once in a while somebody will get awfully furious with an organization, very furious with an organization here on this planet, when they have actually identified the organization with the Marcabian civilization". From Auditing Comm Cycles, 6 Aug 63, SHSBC-291 renumbered SHSBC-320. "There is some sort of an idea that they have to get this universe fixed up because their own universe is going to pieces ... Thats the fourth invader". From T88-17 of 27 Jun 52. Hope this helps, The Pilot ======================== Subj : To Martin Hunt and Other Critics (Super Scio) TO MARTIN HUNT AND OTHER EXTREMIST CRITICS Yo Martin, I'm addressing this to you because you played innocent when "anonymous" accused you of attacking potential allies. But its also meant for Anti-Clam and a couple of others who just can't resist chewing up some of the stuff I've been posting and making lots of nasty remarks. I do not, by the way, object to those critics who make remarks like "I think its rubbish but each to his own". I think that that's a fair statement of live and let live and I can get along quite nicely with such people. I have also found that most of ARS is quite hospitable and friendly to an honest Scientologist who believes that extensive reforms are needed within the Church of Scientology. Please realize that there are 4 groups involved in this struggle. They are: 1. The real antis 2. The Freezone 3. Scientology Reformers 4. Scientology Loyalists I represent the third group. I very much want the organization to clean up its act. On this basis, we are allies although it is a bit like the US and Russia joining forces against the Nazis. I have said and I will continue to say that Scientology tech is important and workable. I do not say it out of any intention or desire to convert you or anyone else on ARS into Scientologists. That would be a bit foolish considering the current situation. I say these things for the benifit of the numerous Scientologists who are lurking on this newsgroup and to maintain my own integrety while criticising the behaviour of an organization which really IS my religion. If you were a Catholic criticizing the Pope, you would have to say something good about Jesus with every other breath. I'm not posting endless sweetness and light about Scientology. I am trying for what I consider to be a sane balance. When you attack savagely and mindlessly, you play into the hands of Scientology Management who continually tells the membership about the crazy evil suppressives who are gonna get them unless they toe the line and send big bucks to Flag and CCHR. Of course some of the critics could be OSA plants or even CIA agents who are having great fun playing both sides against each other. In that case they'll want to shoot at me every chance they get because management has a strong desire to shut me up. The kind of stuff I've been saying drives management crazy. I'm sure that they'd much rather have my ass than yours. An internal revolution is much more dangerous than an outside enemy. I know we don't see eye to eye. That's alright. I'm an American and this country was founded on Religious Freedom. Once the dust clears we can have fun arguing with each other. But for now I would suggest an armed truce. Sincerly, The Pilot ======================== Subj : Re: SUPER SCIO Asking Ars For Help In response to one of my posts, Inducto wrote: >> I'd like to invite all the critics of Scientology to be supportive -- or >> at least tolerant -- of serious, well-articulated reform proposals like >> this. I think it both a matter of principled religious tolerance, as well >> as practical tactics. >> I suggest that taking any position that would only be satisfied by the >> complete dismantlement of Scientology, makes enemies rather than allies of >> sincere and ethical (ethical in standard philosphical definitions) >> everyday Scientologists, and plays into the CoS hierarchy's attempts to >> portray disagreements as all-out war to be won or lost. Yes, right on. On 17 Apr 97, Bev responded to Inducto: > >I have no problem with a person who wants to practice scientology >as a system for their own selves. > >My problem is, and has been with the ~Co$~ and the monster that it has >become. When something has become so corrupt that it cannot tolerate >being held up to the light for scrutiny without becoming rabid and >trying to tear apart those who would either question it or reveal it >then it is obvious that something is terribly wrong. I agree completely. In Scientology we have a concept of something called a "Missed Withhold" which is a situation where somebody misses (nearly finds out about) something that the preclear is withholding. This causes the preclear to worry and wonder whether the other person knows about them and often causes the preclear's attention to fixate. This can in turn lead to the preclear becoming critical towards and attacking the person who missed their withhold. In other words, they can become "rabid". In the early days of the Sea Org, all Sea Org members and all public and outer org staff who went to the ships for training and OT levels were continually pretending not to be Scientologists and were afraid of being found out because of Hubbard's fears that the world conspiritors were after him. Here are the various shore stories and the pretense of being "Operating Transport Ldt". And therefore these people continually had their withholds missed whenever they went ashore or travelled. And there was just enough trouble and danger in those sea going days to confirm to the membership that their fears were real. And so they became loaded with these missed withholds. And there was so little real use of the tech on Sea Org members and so much agreement between them that everybody else was out to get them that these things festered and many did indeed become rabid. Of course there were other factors at work as well, I'm just pointing out one of the many things that contributed to the viscious tone of the Sea Org and trying to show one of the ways in which people who were originally good, clean, and honest began to turn into something else. Its very funny that the very person who taught so extensively about the missed withhold phenomena should then go and set things up in such a manner as to ensure that his loyal followers would experience the maximum number of missed withhold (with the outside world) per unit of time. It almost seems like a program designed to alienate the Sea Org from society. But I must be imagining things, he probably just forgot about the existance and effect of missed withholds (he only gave about fifty lectures on the subject in the 1960s). By the way, although I have observed this action of becoming critical and hostile due to missed withholds, I believe that we were gravely mistaken in thinking that this was the only reason that people became critical. Just because some houses are built of wood doesn't mean that all houses are built of wood. To think otherwise is a basic flaw in logic and actually represents the A = A thought (as in Houses = Wood) that Hubbard was originally trying to cure. >In my opinion I would prefer to see the scientology philosophy set free >from the corrupted prison it lies in right now to the point that people >who chose to study and practice it have the right to do so AS THEY SEE >FIT. NOT under the suppressive rule of the Co$ and not in oppressive >environments. Yes, exactly. >Also, those who chose to use it should have the RIGHT to discuss (VERBAL >TECH, OH NO!! :-) ) it and improve upon it in whatever fashion they see >fit. I think that you can have both orthodox and liberal sects. Both freezone and strictly standard orgs with useful feedback between the two. There might be different stages in somebody's personal evolution where they need one or the other. And we might learn where the standards are critical and where they are simply unnecessary arbitraries. I personally like to discuss tech and think that its part of the learning experience. But this gives some people a lot of trouble. So you need both environments. >Just as Christianity has evolved into something like over 4,000 differing >viewpoints because of freedom to see it as you so choose, so should the >same rights be extended to those who want to practice scientology and to >see it from their own perspectives as well. > >But of course under the totalitarian stranglehold the Co$ has over the >tech and the hold they seem to have on so many of their members by causing >them to fear to think and evaluate it on their own and the use of their >legal threats to put a stop on so many who try to oppose them this is >simply not a reality. It should be obvious that making people afraid to think and making it dangerous for people to have their own opinions and evaluations would decrease intelligence. In fact Ron used to criticise the school system for this very thing. During my early training (1966 to 1968) I found the course environment to be conducive to learning the subject. Although tech and policy contrary to this had already started coming out, my supervisors were generally old timers who were not so ridgid in their approach. Later I found the course environment more and more difficult to study in and shifted more and more to studying on my own, only putting up with the course environment when I absolutely had to. Again one has to wonder. Ron knew so much about the right ways to encourage intelligence and understanding. The old timers were exceptionally bright, fast to think on their feet and deep in understanding. The modern training is obviously tailored to discourage free thought. Ron certainly knew enough to design his courses to create the effect he wanted. In the early days he wanted bright thinkers and in the later days he wanted robots. >In actuality it is the Co$ its own self who is the true oppressor and >violator of the basic rights of individuals under the first amendment granting >freedom of religion and speech. The Co$ cries and whines about their >rights, but STOMPS the hell out the rights of others. Unfortunately true. This is one of the many reasons why I'm pushing so heavily for reform. >The concerns I have lie not with the ordinary individuals, but with the >Co$ and the actions which have been brought to light on a.r.s. > >Beverly Yes indeed. I am very concerned about the ordinary individuals involved in the subject. They are my friends. They generally became involved for the same reasons that I did, namely to discover truth and to become more able. In the old days I saw people learning skills and new ways of thinking which expanded their abilities and awareness. The more strength and intention these people developed, the gentler and more helpful they became. They could be tough and fearless in a pinch, and yet they had no desire to prove it and saw no value in the use of force. Now the Sea Org members learn to be tough. They scream and yell at each other all the time. Its "Make it go right" and "What does your materials state" and not an ounce of free thought in the place. They think that they've been trained to act like OTs and actually they have been trained to act like SPs. If you train somebody to act like a suppressive, he can make people go PTS to him even if his intentions are not evil. I want to see the CofS reformed for the sake of all those people who have seen their dreams betrayed. The dream was good, I don't want to see it shattered. Instead I want to see the broken promises made good. Sincerely, The Pilot ======================== Subj : Super Scio - AE VanVogt and CADA A. E. VAN VOGT And CADA Van Vogt was one of the early big names in Dianetics and Scientology. In 1950 he was one of the top 10 Science Fition authors (overshadowed only by Heinline, Asimov, and a few others) having already made his reputation with classics such as "Slan" and "The World of Null A". Many Scientologists think that his Null A stories are refelctive of his involvement in Scientology, but they have it backwards. The Null A stories (Non Aristotilian Logic or what is called inifnity valued logic in Dianetics) are from the 1940s and are based on Korsibsky's General Semantics. It was Van Vogt who inspired LRH to adopt the infinity valued logic which is discribed in DMSMH (Dianetics the Modern Science of Mental Health - written in 1950). His Scientology inspired novel is actually "The Universe Maker" of 1952 where he talks about "OTs" calling them "Shadows" because they have learned to dissolve their physical bodies into energy at will. After that he dedicates himself to Scientology and Dianetics and abandons science fiction writing until 1960 when he returns to the field with "The Silkie" (which also includes some Scientology ideas such as "Havingness" and "exteriorization from the physical universe"). Because of his later involvement with CADA, some Scientologists believe that Van Vogt was an early Dianeticist who never accepted the ideas of Scientology, but this is incorrect, as evidenced by the fact that Van Vogt was taking Scientology courses as late as 1954 and by his use of Scientology concepts in various books. In 1966, when I asked about the break between Ron and Van Vogt, I was told that Van Vogt believed that man was evolving and disagreed with Ron's idea that we had decayed from a godlike state, but this is pure rumor that I have never seen in writing. CADA is the California Association of Dianetic Auditors. It was established in 1951 and is the last surviving Dianetics organization from the old days. As such, it was never under Ron's control and the org thinks of it as a "nest of Squirrels" (it had members like Jack Horner who was one of the most famous of the early "Squirrels") but it has never dared to attack them directly because of CADA's unique legal position. Van Vogt was, off and on, president of CADA from 1958 until 1982 (I'm not sure if this is the correct date, see the article mentioned below). Van Vogt remained popular with Scientologists. Despite his break with Ron and his involvement with CADA, I don't believe that he was ever declared as a "Suppressive Person" or "Squirrel". I heard a rumor that he was even invited over to ASHO and gave a talk there about the early days of Dianetics at sometime in the 1970s. This is almost unique in the history of Dianetics and Scientology. The "rumor line" (covertly spread party line) that I always heard about him in later days was that he was a good guy who couldn't accept Ron's later discoveries. He was branded with the usual tar brush that the org applied to all old Dianeticists who were not in Scientology which was that they were "a bunch of old ladies who didn't want to confront overts or past lives and therefore ignored Ron's later discoveries and kept fooling around with prenatal incidents". This was actually untrue and was nothing more than "dead agenting" to keep Scientolgists from getting interested in CADA. It is quite obviously a strong freezone association that has kept up with the times. There is an article entitled "The Short History of the CADA" by AE Van Vogt which originally appeared in CADA's Dianetic Journal Notes Vol 17 number 2 of 1982 and was reprinted in Vol 34 number 2 of 1984 (I only have the reprint, either the original volume number or the original date might be wrong because of the large jump from volume 17 to 34). Here is an excerpt from that article which might be of use: "... elected officials of the CADA had suggested to Ron that the Foundation auditor's certificate have on it the words 'Certified Dianetic Auditor'. Ron refused. The Foundation certificate was finally sent to graduates of all classes in Los Angeles with the words: 'Hubbard Dianetic Auditor'. "It is fairly clear now, in view of a number of subsequent actions taken by Ron and his various local aides, that at this stage he had not taken the time to think through the implications of these various pre-emptive actions. "Example one: There were eventually at least a thousand auditors who were given the certificates with Hubbard's name as part of the certification - and nothing in the certificate required that they must later obtain a franchise from Ron to audit - and pay him a percentage of their earnings for the use of the word dianetics and/or the word 'Hubbard'. "Example two: Ron's insistence that the certificate designation be Hubbard Dianetic Auditor was obviously an attempt to keep his name forever commected to the auditing situation, but showed no awareness that he would later object to anyone using his name unless they also paid him a percentage of their earnings. "Insofar as the CADA is concerned, I attended a few early meetings. But I was not a member during the first few years and so had very little awareness of the fight that was going on - of the consequence of LRH's determination that, even though they had certificates as auditors, other persons had no rights if what they did seemed in his judgment to conflict with what he wanted to do. "All this time, on the technique and theory level, the system was growing. And it was evident that as a researcher LRH continued to be one of the major geniuses of our period of history. "In Los Angeles, at the end of 1951, I opened the Hubbard Dianetic Center in a large eleven room house, and began auditing and lecturing. And when the Hubbard Dianetic Foundation's Don Purcell suggested (from Witchita) that it would be to everyone's benefit if I paid the 10 percent tithe, it was also innocuously worded, that I wrote him 10 percent was too high for the benefits promised. So I sent 5 percent but I signed no agreements." I hope that CADA wouldn't object to my presenting such a long excerpt, but I didn't want to leave out pieces and only present scraps. The entire article is well worth reading and I suspect that CADA also has many other things in their archives which might be of general interest. Perhaps they can be encouraged to post. ---------------- HEINLEIN AND NORDENHOLZ (speculation) As long as we're on the subject of sci fi authors, there was an interesting old rumor around in the 1960s about Bob Heinlein having been Ron's roommate at college. Ron might have said this, but if so, I don't remember the reference. Or maybe it was just another of those wild rumors that people would start (one upper level student at a crowded lunch table announced that he was sure that Ron was a reincarnation of Mary Baker Eddie, I'm sure that Ron would have rolled over in his grave at that one). Based on things in his stories, Heinlein must have studied metaphysics at one time. Among other things, he talks about Gurdieff and Ouspennsky in "Assignment in Eturnity". There is a story in this book where some college professors develope OT abilities by studying this stuff and then the world conspiracy attacks them to shut them up. Being exceptionally bright and into metaphysics, it would not be surprising to find out that Heinlein was literate in German and was familiar with Nordenholz's Scientologie book. Even if Heinlein (who was also a Navy man) did not room with Ron at Geo. Wash. U., they certainly had a professional relationship by 1940 since they were both part of Campbell's stable of writers at that time. Although this is all speculation, I consider it to be a likely chain of events which might connect LRH and Nordenholz's Scientologie axioms. ---------------- Best, The Pilot ======================== Subj : Re: The Pilot in 4th Dimension hiding (Super Scio amusement) IN REPLY TO "THE PILOT HIDING IN THE 4TH DIMENSION" The following was sent to me by the Loyalist Officers who are hiding in the 4th dimension. They asked me to post it for Koos' benifit. I take no responsibility for the contents. For those who are unfamiliar with Koos, he is famous for his telepathic sec checks that he performs on various people such as L. Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige, and Diana Ross. He posts the results of these sec checks (and invoices billing for this service) to the internet. - The Pilot On 20 Apr 1997 Koos Nolst Trenite wrote: >Mr Anonymous The Pilot is waiting in the 4th Dimension (he can > make space with four dimensions), waiting like all the monkeys > of alt.clearing.technology, till KOOS has done his job FOR him, > which HE claims to be his own job. > >And then, and only then, he comes out triumphantly and says: > "You see, I knew it all along!" "I have predicted this and I > have seen what was wrong." > >These are really the kind of "friends" I need. We see that Koos is upset. He objects to The Pilot being anonymous and hiding in the 4th dimension. He ignores the fact that the Pilot must hide or else the Marcabian agents who are currently running the CofS into the ground will capture him and toss him into the nearest volcano. Now we use our OT powers and our 4th dimensional super vision to determine the real cause of the Koosical upset. It is that Koos was planning to covertly sec check The Pilot telepathically and bill him LOTS OF MONEY for the auditing. But Koos cannot find the Pilot in the 4th dimension, therefore he rages. But if you told a man, "we have already advised your wife of your unfaithfullness, now pay us money for this favor", there would be little likelyhood of ever receiveing payment. From this we conclude that the Pilot would not pay. So why does Koos continue if nobody ever pays? It is TO GET THE STATS UP. The auditing is Koos' hat and his stats are always up. It is for others, such as Freya, to collect the payments. If their stats are down, it is they who will go into LIABILITY and have to CLEAN THE TOILETS, not Koos. But we truely appreciate the humor of the very fine joke that The Koos has played on The CofS. The CofS forces its members to pay high prices for unnecessary and undesired sec checks and then uses the withholds revealed to the PC's detriment. Koos turns the tables on them and performs the same kindly service and sends them the bill. This is indeed priceless. Therefore we will do The Koos a favor and tell him that he is measuring the wrong statistic. THE CORRECT STATISTIC IS: THE NUMBER OF TRUE OBSERVATIONS OF THE REAL WORLD COMMUNICATED TO OTHERS IN A COMPREHENSIBLE MANNER. We wish you luck with this new statistic. Best Wishes, The Loyalist Officers Hiding In The 4th Dimension. ******************** From "Secret Teachings of the Loyalist Officers": "If you should be so blessed as to aquire a fragment of the True Underwear of the Beloved Hubbard, then let ye soak this in vinegar for the space of a night. Then in the morning doth ye consume it and quafe it down with a tumber of the finest Scotch Whiskey, saying in HIS Name 'rude Rudy rode the ruddy rods'. With this ye shall be purged of all body thetans and furthermore protected against all telepathic sec checking forever. "But Beware. If thou should'st mispronounce one word of the sacred process or make a bad face upon experiencing the Holy Taste, then ye shall be sentenced to the RPFer's RPFer's Toilet Bowl and dwell therein for the space of a billion years". ********************* ======================== This is the trailer that was put on most of the above messages: Get the Pilot materials (the 32 part SUPER SCIO book) at: ftp://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/pub/ss/index.html or pick up the ss## files from Homer's archive at lightlink.com. Subsequent follow-ups, arguments for reform, defenses, criticisms, occasional jokes, and even more tech can be found by searching dejanews http://www.dejanews.com/ either for "Super Scio" or for all pilot postings to ARS by using the following search string: ~a (The Pilot) & ~g (alt.religion.scientology) ------------------